[TheCrusader]

"To just trash the Pope and the Council and call people names rather than working within the Church to restore sound doctrine and worship is merely destructive. It is not constructive in the least and bears no fruit."

Where is all this "destruction" by traditionalists you speak about, other than in your own mind? The return to othodoxy has to begin somewhere, and people writing their thoughts and feelings about the devisive and destructive forces of Vatican II and the powers that perpetuate its U-turn from orthodoxy is where it must begin.

Words without passion are empty, devoid of life and spirit, just like the silly, ambiguous ramblings of the post Vatican II heirarchy and Churchmen ring so hollow. The greatest "destruction" I have ever witnessed in my entire life has been the destruction of the traditions and the reputation of Catholic Church by the 'spirit of Vatican II' and its fruits. And I do mean FRUITS.

[Unam Sanctam]

Yes, the "spirit" of Vatican II was in many ways a destructive force. However, that does not mean that the Pope and the Council itself are heretical. In fact, you may not believe it, but Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger are actually the good guys and are helping to preserve the deposit of faith from modernists and false teaching that has crept into the Church.