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To: Havoc
Your argument is too tortured. A plain reading of the text yields the Catholic interpretation, an interpretation held by the immediate disciples of the Apostles, an interpretation held for close to 2,000 years by the Catholic Church.

Whatever else might be said, the early Church took John 6 literally. In fact, there is no record from the early centuries that implies Christians doubted the constant Catholic interpretation. There exists no document in which the literal interpretation is opposed and only the metaphorical accepted.

Why do Fundamentalists and Evangelicals reject the plain, literal interpretation of John 6? For them, Catholic sacraments are out because they imply a spiritual reality
— grace — being conveyed by means of matter. This seems to them to be a violation of the divine plan. For many Protestants, matter is not to be used, but overcome or avoided. As such, the hunt for any interpretation to void the Catholic one is necessary. Any novel interpretation that overthrows the Catholic meaning is accepted. A prima facia case of eisegesis.
268 posted on 11/05/2003 8:43:32 AM PST by polemikos (sola scriptura creat hereseos)
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To: polemikos
Whatever else might be said, the early Church took John 6 literally. In fact, there is no record from the early centuries that implies Christians doubted the constant Catholic interpretation.

Saying that something has been practiced for ages is no indication of it being correct. At the time of the writings of the Gospels it was being stated by the Apostles themselves that error was already creaping into the church. You gain nothing by way of authority by stating the age of a doctrine. You have to prove the doctrine. If you can't do that, nothing else matters.

For them, Catholic sacraments are out because they imply a spiritual reality — grace — being conveyed by means of matter.

When Jesus states that the flesh profits nothing re nourishment of the spirit, there is no dispute to be had. Flesh does not profit the spirit.

Torturing an argument is what has to be done on your side. The torture is the argument over the definition of the word "the", compounded by ignoring the fact that Jesus spoke in parables to unbelievers (even if they happened to be following him), further compounded by the fact that the Bread of life was eaten before Christ was ever born. The torture is that your clergy stumbled into something they didn't understand, then misconstrued it's meaning in their ignorance and started teaching it as gospel. That or they willingly got it wrong - which thoughts I'll not entertain.

Wrong they got it though and so it stands. It doesn't matter whether it's labeled Catholic doctrine, Protestant doctrine, Mormon etc. Scripture trumps doctrine. Not single verses but Scripture in context. One wonders why if consuming Christ's flesh was required, it wasn't evident in the OT when they were eating the bread of life. I keep returning to that because you guys ignore it as if to pretend that Christ coming somehow changed God's word. If God be the same yesterday today and forever, you have a real problem.

280 posted on 11/05/2003 9:15:05 AM PST by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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