Joint Catholic/Orthodox Statement Regarding the Nicene Creed

EWTN ^ | 10/31/04

[Aquinasfan]

Good news!

[Aquinasfan]

FYI

[dangus]

So is the fili oque or not?

[sitetest]

Dear Aquinasfan,

Are you talking about this?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1011740/posts


sitetest

[Aquinasfan]

Are you talking about this?

That could be it. The date seems right. But I thought I heard that this was coming from a Vatican Congregation. We'll see.

[bobjam]

When Cardinal Ratzinger released Dominus Deus a few years back (the one that basicly said Christianity is right and all other religions are seriously deficient), he began by affirming the Faith handed down through the Apostles. He did this by repeating the Nicene Creed- without the Filioque Clause. I don't know if anyone else caught that.

[NYer]

Found this:

Catholic-Orthodox talks reach partial accord on ancient creedal dispute

WASHINGTON (AP) - The official dialogue between Roman Catholic and Orthodox leaders in North America announced partial agreement on a doctrinal issue that has divided the two Christian branches for nearly 1,000 years.

The groups issued a joint statement Tuesday about the wording of the Nicene Creed, which is recited in all Orthodox and Catholic churches.

The Orthodox insist on the original Greek text from the Council of Constantinople (A.D. 381), which speaks of "the Holy Spirit, who proceeds from the Father." In 1014, the papacy added "and the Son" ("filioque" in Latin) after that phrase, despite opposition from Eastern churches.

The creedal change and the exercise of papal power without church-wide agreement were major issues in the "Great Schism" between Catholicism and Orthodoxy that was formalized in 1054.

The new statement, the 22nd since the talks began in 1965, notes that the Vatican has affirmed the "normative and irrevocable dogmatic value" of the wording from 381. The paper thus recommends that Catholicism use the original text in worship, and cancel an anathema against Orthodox usage from a Catholic council in 1274.

However, such actions require approval by the Vatican, which sponsors separate Orthodox-Catholic discussions at the world level.

The North American negotiators say the exact relationship of the three persons within the divine Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) "awaits full and final ecumenical resolution."

The talks are chaired by Orthodox Metropolitan Maximos of Pittsburgh and Catholic Archbishop Daniel Pilarczyk of Cincinnati.

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http://www.usccb.org/seia/index.htm

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[maestro]

The Orthodox Statement Regarding the Nicene Creed....?

It is ALL about The Official Greek ORTHODOX Bible TEXTS....N.T.,....and holding to 1st John 5:7 as in the KJV.

Long live the Offical Greek Orthodox Text!

Why?.....be-clause!

':-)

'Luther'......Romans 5:1,........Romans 10:17.....etc.

The Greek Orthodox Church HAS (possesses) The Holy Scripture!

:-)

Shalom......in God's promises!

[editor-surveyor]

Creeds are creations of men, not God. There is not a single creed recorded in God's word.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

[Romulus]

There is not a single creed recorded in God's word.

So what?

[editor-surveyor]

"So what?"

So it's much ado about nothing, from a purely spiritual standpoint. Creeds are ecclesiastical politics.

[D-fendr]

Creed:

1. A formal statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.

Don't have one?

[editor-surveyor]

"Don't have one?"

Not one that somebody else wrote out of their own desire to shape the Gospel in conformance to their personal will.

Paul said that we should be prepared to offer a reason, but he didn't say that we should be prepared to recite a reason that was prepared by others.

[MarMema]

Didn't want to make a whole post of this but thought you would like to see it.

His Beatitude, Metropolitan Herman, received two monastic priests and three novices from the former Eastern Rite Catholic Monastery of the Holy Cross here into the Orthodox Faith during a visit October 27 and 28, 2003.

The pics are stunning. Do go and see them here and less stunning ones here.

Also it appears a school came along? What do you think?

[MarMema]

I wish someone ( like you) could tell me who the man is standing in back on the left in glasses here is.

He sang so beautifully when he was out here with the entourage a few years ago.

[FormerLib]

I saw this on the OCA web page today. Very interesting. Of course, I am now the godparent of a little boy born to two former Byzantine Catholics who joined the Orthodox Church.

[MarMema]

Many years!!!

[Salvation]

Ping!

[Salvation]

Don't you mean

Profession of faith