To: findingtruth
The reason there will be no reunification is that your denomination has sold its soul. In contravention of 1900 years of Church tradition, you have caved on contraception. Likewise, you have caved on the divorce-and-remarriage question.Wrong on both counts. Contraception is not something that Orthodox Christians are free to use whenever and however they like. Roman Catholics use a form on contraception known as the rythm method with the same desired effect. Also, if you'd actually done anything but the most superficial examination, you would have discovered that the Orthodox process for remarriage is virtually identical to the Roman Catholic annulment.
Yes, it would have been better if you would have attempted to learn about our faith before attacking, but the Pharisee in you won out.
57 posted on
10/31/2003 5:15:25 PM PST by
FormerLib
(The enemy is within!)
To: FormerLib
71 posted on
11/01/2003 8:09:36 AM PST by
Catholicguy
(MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
To: findingtruth; FormerLib
The permission purported among some Orthodox to use artifical contraception does not arise from any official teaching of the Church. It is more akin to the disobedience against Humane Vitae in the Catholic Church, in that certain clerical partisans of error have taken up the standard and fed lies to the people.
If there is any universal "standard of Orthodoxy" to be found among the Orthodox, I would take it as the much revered Patriarchate of Jerusalem, which Patriarchate has never in any way been infested by error, but in fact always stood with Rome to combat the same, whether it be Sophorinus against Monothelitism or Dositheos against Protestantism. (The "schism" of Rome and Jerusalem is a manufacture of the Crusaders who exiled the Patriarch to Cyprus and installed the Frankish Latin Patriarch in his place.)
If you can produce a statement from the Patriarch of Jerusalem saying "artifical contraception is okay", I will accept that arguement that the Orthodox teach the permission of contraception.
To: FormerLib
Contraception is not something that Orthodox Christians are free to use whenever and however they like. Roman Catholics use a form on contraception known as the rythm method with the same desired effect. from www.dictionary.com:
con·tra·cep·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kntr-spshn) n.
Intentional prevention of conception or impregnation through the use of various devices, agents, drugs, sexual practices, or surgical procedures.
Now unless you want to define abstinence from sex as falling under that definition, nothing the Catholic Church permits is contraception. Nor is the anything the Catholic Church permits against any law of God, unless you are going to try to find a divine commandment requiring couples to have intercourse whenever the wife is known to be fertile.
Hey, stop trying to argue that your own denomination hasn't caved, when it has. That being the case, it is understandable that you would try to argue that, oh well, the Catholic Church has caved also. It hasn't. Looks to me like logically, you should just openly embrace the sexual revolution, and be done with it.
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