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To: Tantumergo
I am always a little wary of ecumenists from either side watering down their beliefs to make them sound acceptable to the other side!

And appropriately so, for exactly those reasons!

Several years ago, the Patriarch of Constantinople visited the US. On his tour, he was to address a Roman Catholic/Orthodox ecumenical group. Given his previous statements, everyone was expecting him to give a talk such as you describe.

Quite frankly, people on all sides of the issue were stunned to hear him say that reunification would never be possible as the two churches now had a differing ontological understanding of God. That understanding was directly related to the filioque.

Ultimately, that understanding of God is directly linked to our understanding of the Church: is it headed by a single Patriarch or the Ecumenical Councils? Clearly, our two churches will always answer these two questions differently.

21 posted on 10/31/2003 6:37:21 AM PST by FormerLib (The enemy is within!)
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To: FormerLib
Ultimately, that understanding of God is directly linked to our understanding of the Church: is it headed by a single Patriarch or the Ecumenical Councils?

You are astute to recognize this point first made by St. Thomas Aquinas.

Clearly, our two churches will always answer these two questions differently.

I don't think this is necessarily true, especially if Catholics would reflect more fully on what saved the west from Pope Honorius' heresy and the Great Schism, and if Orthodox would reflect more fully on what saved the east from the Robber Synod of Ephesus.

The west needs to recognize that the Pope is still just a Bishop, and not some higher order of minister, and the east needs to recognize that an Ecumenical Council needs the Pope.

37 posted on 10/31/2003 12:56:27 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: FormerLib; sinkspur
Count me as one who thinks the filioque question is far from trivial. I don't dismiss it just because I'm not qualified to examine it in the detail it deserves.

Sinkspur, considering that "who do you say that I am?" was the heart and soul of Christian conversation for 250 years, I'd say your uninterest in Christology makes you seriously out of touch with the early Church.

FormerLib, what can you tell me about your translation of the Creed's beginning? Do you say "I believe" or "we believe"?
61 posted on 10/31/2003 9:20:07 PM PST by Romulus (Nothing really good ever happened after 1789.)
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