[sinkspur]

I would cast the far right as the woman whose baby has died. By creating their own parallel church, they have stolen the baby from the rightful mother. When the sword hovers over the baby it will be the far right who will not blink, rather it will be the left, who in the service of unity, will preserve the life of the baby.

Good observations. Traditionalists would rather destroy the Church, so one could be rebuilt in their image, than slog through the changes that come when, as John XXIII exhorted "The Church goes out into the world."

[saradippity]

Some friends of mine and I are getting together a small collection of John XXIII's writings to give to our modernist,progressive,liberal change agents. They are going to be quite surprised.

He thought Latin should be used for all seminary studies,he did not approve of homosexuality or any "impure" behaviors among other old fashioned things.

I think St. Chuck may be right too,but I also think many of the change agents will end up going over to some mainstream denominations,who have gone out into the world,or more accurately,been absorbed by the world. This whole thing with the Episcopalian bishop who is to be ordained bears watching.

I have already seen some folks I know going to a conservative Presbyterian church here and another couple to a Bible Church.

All 5 were convinced that the Catholic Church wa only a mini step away from their flailing floundering church.

I have said from day one that the Catholic Church will be smaller and stronger;purer and poorer. And I think that is fine,totally in sync with the Pope and Magisterium will help a whole lot.