Posted on 10/29/2003 8:59:36 AM PST by american colleen
This is an extremely insightful post.
1 Kings 3:16 Then two women who were harlots came to the king and stood before him.
17 The one woman said, "Oh, my lord, this woman and I live in the same house; and I gave birth to a child while she was in the house.
18 "It happened on the third day after I gave birth, that this woman also gave birth to a child, and we were together. There was no stranger with us in the house, only the two of us in the house.
19 "This woman's son died in the night, because she lay on it.
20 "So she arose in the middle of the night and took my son from beside me while your maidservant slept, and laid him in her bosom, and laid her dead son in my bosom.
21 "When I rose in the morning to nurse my son, behold, he was dead; but when I looked at him carefully in the morning, behold, he was not my son, whom I had borne."
22 Then the other woman said, "No! For the living one is my son, and the dead one is your son." But the first woman said, "No! For the dead one is your son, and the living one is my son." Thus they spoke before the king.
23 Then the king said, "The one says, 'This is my son who is living, and your son is the dead one'; and the other says, 'No! For your son is the dead one, and my son is the living one.'"
24 The king said, "Get me a sword." So they brought a sword before the king.
25 The king said, "Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one and half to the other."
26 Then the woman whose child was the living one spoke to the king, for (1) she was deeply stirred over her son and said, "Oh, my lord, give her the living child, and by no means kill him." But the other said, "He shall be neither mine nor yours; divide him!"
27 Then the king said, "Give the first woman the living child, and by no means kill him. She is his mother."
28 When all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had handed down, they feared the king, for (2) they saw that the wisdom of God was in him to administer justice.
I would cast the far right as the woman whose baby has died. By creating their own parallel church, they have stolen the baby from the rightful mother. When the sword hovers over the baby it will be the far right who will not blink, rather it will be the left, who in the service of unity, will preserve the life of the baby.
Good observations. Traditionalists would rather destroy the Church, so one could be rebuilt in their image, than slog through the changes that come when, as John XXIII exhorted "The Church goes out into the world."
Oh sacrament most holy,oh sacrament divine,
All praise and all thanksgiving,be every moment thine.
I remember more about the Mass I didn't "actively participate" in 40 years ago,than last Sundays.Could be early onset Altzheimers,or it was just more memorable.
You well know that bishops like Bruskewicz are not "clubbable" (stole that from Neuhaus) and are dismissed as being too archaic and dictatorial (sorry if B. hurt CTA's feelings) by the other bishops. But they sure get the job done although not according to the guidelines of the progressives. Bruskewicz gets blackballed. He's not PC. I like him because he is not afraid to be Catholic and he doesn't care that he's not PC. Plus, he has a good sense of humor.
Bishop O'Malley is new and needs time. Looks like he is going to can the Talk about Touching program. He never read it and he is reading it now.
I don't wanna screen priests, who am I to do that - I just wanna screen the screeners who screen the priests.
Why do you think the progressive dioceses ordain few priests? For instance, what do you think is the problem in LA?
I must have missed them. Can you name the areas they are in? I'm not aware of any Southern Baptist Churches in my area.
The Southern Baptists have the same attendance problem the Catholics have - less than 1/3 of those on the roles are in the pews on any Sunday.
279 parishes, ~1100 Priests.
Mahoney's a crook.
Maybe so, maybe so. But then the left will then give the baby to a non-celibate homosexual Episcopalian bishop to raise.
GKChesterton
I went to school with seminarians from Lincoln; they were ALL rural men, with one exception. Good guys, too, though a great deal more progressive than the reputation of their diocese.
One is a bishop, Robert Vasa, in Baker, Oregon. And, yes, he has an STD degree. Another, Fr. Jim Divis, teaches in the seminary in Lincoln.
But if Mahony is succeeded by an actual Catholic, Bruskewitz may very well send a few missionaries.
This too shall pass
Would you serve a bishop who spent $200 million on a building? I wouldn't.
Mahoney built a tribute to himself then turned around and fired half of his diocesan staff. He's an egomaniacal punk.
He thought Latin should be used for all seminary studies,he did not approve of homosexuality or any "impure" behaviors among other old fashioned things.
I think St. Chuck may be right too,but I also think many of the change agents will end up going over to some mainstream denominations,who have gone out into the world,or more accurately,been absorbed by the world. This whole thing with the Episcopalian bishop who is to be ordained bears watching.
I have already seen some folks I know going to a conservative Presbyterian church here and another couple to a Bible Church.
All 5 were convinced that the Catholic Church wa only a mini step away from their flailing floundering church.
I have said from day one that the Catholic Church will be smaller and stronger;purer and poorer. And I think that is fine,totally in sync with the Pope and Magisterium will help a whole lot.
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