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Musicians in Catholic Worship ­ III Bells and Whistles, Guitars and Tambourines
Adoremus ^ | October 2003 | Lucy Carroll

Posted on 10/17/2003 4:46:34 AM PDT by Desdemona

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1 posted on 10/17/2003 4:46:34 AM PDT by Desdemona
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I'm swatting at the hornet's nest this morning. :)
2 posted on 10/17/2003 4:50:07 AM PDT by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: Desdemona
Sic 'em!

What the article says about untrained guitarists is one hundred per cent true. You're likely to find any schmo who can form three chords standing around the sanctuary strumming . . . and as the article says, not always in tune.

Also a good point that the sound of a guitar is swallowed up in the typical sanctuary. Unless it's miked -- which leads us to another whole problem. I HATE miked music - especially in church, where the building is usually designed for unamplified music. It sounds awful.

The Episcopal cathedral in Atlanta has possibly the worst acoustics of any major cathedral in the country (they ran out of money and put the roof on early - it was supposed to be Gothic but wound up looking kind of Romanesque - the organist used to say, "Welcome to our Squat Church.") The dean has tried all sorts of different electronic arrangements, but nothing works. There are huge dead zones just west of the transept and just east of the narthex where you literally can hear NOTHING, not even your neighbor singing next to you.

3 posted on 10/17/2003 4:57:55 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: Desdemona
I had no idea that organs and strings are the only approved musical instrument....except in mission settings, of course, where God digs bongos.

Sorry, folks, but this sounds like "Make Church Boring 101".....coming soon to a church near you.
4 posted on 10/17/2003 6:13:40 AM PDT by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: Desdemona
Bad taste is a menace to Catholic worship. We need to have more brutally honest assessments of what causes bad taste among church leaders in America. Mass is never supposed to be self-esteem therapy for the artistically challenged. As with the problems in Catholic higher education and diocesan administration, we don't need smarmy types taking cues from modern American culture. America needs an authentically Catholic Marshall Plan for Art, Music, Literature, and Film.

The cultists of bad taste need to be deprogrammed or sent out to pasture. No more charity or excuses for outrageous bad taste among the music ministry mafia.

5 posted on 10/17/2003 6:21:00 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Oh, so you don't enjoy singing along to "Canticle of the Sun" or one of the other flaky tunes with Betsy-guitar-playing-hippie at the forefront?? LOL!
6 posted on 10/17/2003 7:12:56 AM PDT by Gerish
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To: xzins
It's really not "Make Church Boring 101" - au contraire, the cheap, vapid "Jump for Jesus" pop music IS ultimately boring and spiritually barren.

Truly good church music can be one of the most beautiful and spiritually uplifting parts of the liturgy. Here are the observations of a Catholic priest who fills in at an Anglican Use church:

Here, I need to offer an observation about the music. There is nothing more frustrating than attempting to discuss music in Catholic worship. It is maddening. Many Catholics are fierce partisans of the contemporary renewal music of the Eagles Wings variety. They are insensible to how transitory this music actually proves to be, how quickly the new hits become tired (and how most of the congregation doesn't even attempt to sing them!), how much of the music in Glory and Praise, the folk hymnal, has dated terribly after just a few years and is never sung at all. Traditional Catholics, on the other hand, often long for the glory days of Mother Dear, O Pray for Me, the St Gregory hymnal and the old devotional hymns.

It was my experience as a choir boy in my parish church which first sparked my interest in Anglican liturgy -- our choirmaster was a convert, which was a blessing, and one soon figured out where all of these wonderful motets and hymns were coming from. In the Anglican Use liturgy, one draws upon a hymnal of six to eight hundred hymns, solidly Scriptural and Liturgical (you come for Mass on the Feast of St Michael and All Angels, you get hymns honoring the Angels; you come on the Annunciation, you get Annunciation hymns!!). The hymns are PART OF THE WORSHIP -- the whole congregation joins prayerfully in the whole hymn, from beginning to end, instead of using it as filler and doing a verse and a half until Father gets to the chair. And the parts of the Mass - Kyrie, Gloria, Credo, Sursum Corda, Agnus Dei - are all set to beautiful, singable music.

For me, the whole experience of worship is transformed when I have the chance to celebrate in the Anglican Use. I'm a cradle Catholic; I made my First Holy Communion in 1967. I grew up in the age of postconciliar liturgical renewal. I vividly remember making my way to the altar rail in 1968 as the folk group bawled out, Blowing in the Wind. I am used to polyester vestments, incredibly banal liturgical texts, poorly chosen hymns rushed through and cut off as soon as possible, the forty-five minuteSunday Mass (the Catholic Church's answer to fast food restaurants).

Rest of his essay here.
7 posted on 10/17/2003 7:21:39 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
The quick answer is to recruit musical Episcopalians.

Our music is the best, and the reason I have stuck with the church during its slow-motion collapse. See above.

8 posted on 10/17/2003 7:23:02 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Mix, Mother. Mix.

The new and the old.

Preserve the tried and true.
Get excited about the new.

God's big enough for both.
9 posted on 10/17/2003 7:24:19 AM PDT by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: Desdemona
You mean "Duelling Banjos" is inappropriate for Mass? Speaking as a banjo player, one of the world's true oppressed minorities, my self esteem has been irreparably harmed by your bigoted comments.

A sufficient quantity of cash will ameliorate the damage, though... I'll have my lawyer send your lawyer a letter.

;-}

10 posted on 10/17/2003 7:33:03 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Squeal like PIIIIGG!)
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To: Desdemona
Great article, BTW.
11 posted on 10/17/2003 7:33:54 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: xzins
Oh, we mix in the new. John Rutter, David Hurd, Gerald Near.

It's real music and not junk.

Go here and here - especially the "Angelus Autem" and listen.

12 posted on 10/17/2003 7:35:44 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: xzins
Sorry, folks, but this sounds like "Make Church Boring 101".....coming soon to a church near you.

Apparently you've never been subjected to an energetic rendering of "lord of the dance"...I offer my suffering up every time I have to listen to that "tune". Give me boring any day.

13 posted on 10/17/2003 7:38:18 AM PDT by conservonator
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To: AnAmericanMother
What's wrong with John Michael Talbot?
14 posted on 10/17/2003 7:38:36 AM PDT by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: conservonator
Anyone can pick out something they don't like out of an entire genre(s) of music.

But some of it is very good, very worshipful, and well worth holding onto while it impacts.....whether a year or a 1000 years.

The homily has been preached by some great preachers and some lousy ones. You don't ax it because of the bad ones.
15 posted on 10/17/2003 7:41:25 AM PDT by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Those of us who can play "Amazing Grace" on the highland bagpipes feel left out too . . .

We have had pipes in the church at the Kirkin' o' the Tartans (pretty silly to be having what is essentially a Presby ceremony in an Episcopal church, but it is fun) - but they don't come in, they stop at the narthex (they're plenty loud out there!)

16 posted on 10/17/2003 7:43:10 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: xzins
I'm displaying my ignorance, but I have never knowingly heard anything he has written.

Got any samples?

Oh, BTW, I found a clip of what I think is the best thing Rutter ever composed - "The Lord is My Shepherd" from his Requiem. The clip is just not long enough. Great oboe solo though.

17 posted on 10/17/2003 7:45:18 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
go here and scroll down for samples

talbot

18 posted on 10/17/2003 7:53:49 AM PDT by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: xzins
But some of it is very good, very worshipful, and well worth holding onto while it impacts.....whether a year or a 1000 years.

That’s the problem, much of the modern music used, at least in my parish, seems to sacrifice the worshipful for the entertaining. Some pieces will, with out a doubt, stand the test of time. Those pieces will stand because the are worshipful, beautiful and timeless. Sadly, much of what we hear today does not add to the Mass. It’s a distraction and not a useful form of worship.

19 posted on 10/17/2003 7:54:08 AM PDT by conservonator
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To: AnAmericanMother
Historically, the Highland Pipes have at times been considered "armaments" ... the pipers may not be entering the Church "under arms". "Amazing Grace" was not written for the pipes, but sounds best (to me) played on them.
20 posted on 10/17/2003 7:55:03 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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