[xzins]

Jean, you're simply wrong about the definition of the word receive. It is a word that implies volition. As I've already said, "The definition of receive it seems to me is to permit someone to enter, or to welcome them to enter as in a "receiving room."


You're also simply wrong about whether arminians can fit this neatly and completely into their paradigm. They can. Fight against it all you want. They just can.

This is my 3rd and final post on this subject. Feel free to have the final word. We're just at the point of repeating ourselves.

[drstevej]

You are wrong about receive. It may involve volition or it may not. That point is irrelevant to the meaning. The root meaning is that something is transfered to you.

Xzins, you will RECEIVE thirty lashes for your error, whether you want them or not!

:-)

[Jean Chauvin]

"Jean, you're simply wrong about the definition of the word receive. It is a word that implies volition."

The Fighting Illini received a beating from the Wolverines last Saturday. Are you suggesting that the Fighting Illini chose to be defeated so badly?

Or is it more accurate to say that they received this beating against their desires?

When I was a youngster, I received spankings from my parents. Are you suggesting that I chose to be spanked?

Or is it more accurate to say that I received a spanking against my desires?

I also, on numerous occasions, have received germs which have caused me to become sick. Are you suggesting that I chose those germs?

Or is it more accurate to say that I received these germs against my desires?

Jean

[xzins]

The word receive means "permit entrance." It's volitional. It's invitational.

There is no scripture mentioned by Jean Chauvin that can't be fit into an arminian paradigm.

Those kind of arguments simply are not what has turned my head on this subject. It is the issue of predestination and time.