[xzins]

So, then, there's no beef is there?

Arminians explain the choosing moment differently because they see scripture differently.

As you say, no one can see the Kingdom of God unless he is born again.

No one WILL see the Kingdom of God until he is born again.

Is there a disagreement in there someplace?

[Jean Chauvin]

"Is there a disagreement in there someplace? "

Yes, don't play dumb.

I find it interesting you frequently hide behind statements which on the surface can be said to be grammatically the same, but that you very well know are entirely different.

The fact remains that the Arminian believes one must first "see" (be Enlightened) the Kingdom of Heaven in order to be subsequently "Born Again".

Calvinism holds steadfast to the Biblical truth that one must first be "Born Again" in order to even see the Kingdom of Heaven.

Furthermore, you have already declared that ALL men are "enlightened" by your interpretation of John 1:9. If your interpretation is correct, then Luke 8:10 is just flat wrong. Luke 8:10 tells us that there are people who have been "given" to "see" and there are likewise people who were not "given" to "see".

Jean