Tighter Border Yields Odd Result: More Illegals Stay

The Wall Street Journal ^ | As of Friday, October 10, 2003 | EDUARDO PORTER

[tomball]

STOCKTON, Calif. -- Something unusual is happening among the illegal immigrants who work in the lush fields of the San Joaquin Valley. Instead of leaving after the harvest, as they did for years, they are staying here, settling into lives of poverty and putting new strains on the city.

[onceone]

Agree. Babies of women illegally in the U.S. should not receive U.S. citizenship.

The only way this will happen is the repeal of the 14th Amedment. "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside...."

Intended to give citizenship to ex-slaves, has outlived its usefulness in the present form. Should only require a small change, like adding the requirement of citizenship of a parent prior to the birth.

[winodog]

I stand corrected. I actually knew that from watching the show. The main poing being that it looked a slow and very painful death.
When they finally start eating you I would imagine you will be wishing you had not abused children

[John Beresford Tipton]

"Round 'em up, move 'em out...Rawhide!!"

[FITZ]

Mr. Silverio ran a stop sign and hit another car. He was fined and still owes thousands of dollars to the other driver's insurance company. But before paying his debt, he went to a used-car lot and bought another vehicle, a 1994 Nissan.

But even a drunk driving accident with no insurance and a life on welfare with no bills ever being paid doesn't get this clown deported.

[SauronOfMordor]

Right now, if a charismatic conservative would step forward with the original party message of a smaller government, enforcing the laws of the nation, and returning to the use of the Constitution as the standard for judging new laws, this person would kick GW's butt.

I think the time is ripe for a real conservative to enter the Republican primary (will we even have one in 2004?)

[dr_who_2]

That's worth a chuckle.

Pitchforks are for farmin', folks.

[John Beresford Tipton]

"Round them all up and ship them home."

Better yet would be to give them each $500 and a bus ride to Crawford, Texas. Perhaps even a dullard [a euphemism for "idiot"]like Bush would see the light when his neighbors felt the heat.

[Polybius]

End the anchor baby program .......

Agree. Babies of women illegally in the U.S. should not receive U.S. citizenship.

I agree that stricter standards for U.S. citizenship should be in place. However, changing the citizenship status for "anchor babies" would require changing this:

Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States .....

[dufekin]

It looks like this criminal was convicted of all of the following, and is an illegal alien, but still wasn't deported. What gives?

(1) driving under the influence of alcohol (is this a felony?)
(2) driving without license to do so (Can't he get a Mexican license, which would be valid in the US?)
(3) wrekless driving
(4) disregarding stop sign
(5) causing a traffic accident
(6) driving without insurance

And, who will sell this guy a car when he doesn't have a license to drive it? Any clues? Isn't that illegal in itself?

[OldEagle]

If they all stay in one area it would be easier to collect them for deportation.
Keep illegals out. Return the ones we have.
Keep the borders strong.
Is this a difficult concept?

[DustyMoment]

Several good points made here. I also think we need to put some intense heat on DHS Secretary Tom Ridge to close the borders. Without control of the borders, the Dept. of Homeland Security is just another government fraud.

Once we control the borders, then we need to start making sweeps of illegals and tossing their butts out. If they don't have a fundamental respect for our borders, how can we expect them to respect our laws?

All of the INS hearings and other bureaucratic BS that takes place before an illegal immigrant can be deported is more government mumbo-jumbo. Catch'em and send'em back, no questions asked, no answers taken. Catch'em again and put them in a prison (reopen Alcatraz, for example) fro no less than 10 years, THEN toss their butts back across the border. Catch'em a third time and it's automatic death by firing squad, no appeals.

We are the only nation in the world with such porous borders and such lip service paid to their control. I think it's time to start lighting fires under Bush and Ridge to close them NOW and let Vicente Fox go cry himself to sleep at night!!!!

[dr_who_2]

The only way to secure the borders is not through militiarization, it's to secure the American interior, and that can only happen with apprehensions and deportations of long-time Illegals there.

Yeah! National ID cards and databases! Even more paperwork requirements to land a minimum wage job! Woo hoo!

[Sabertooth]

Yeah! National ID cards and databases! Even more paperwork requirements to land a minimum wage job! Woo hoo!

That's silly and alarmist. It's nothing to set up sting operations at "day laborer" sites. It's nothing to pick up folks using false Social Security numbers at their places of emploment.

It's nothing to seek out Illegals using matricula consular ID cards.

It's also nothing, and no infringement on the liberties of any citizen or legal resident, to set up a mug shot and fingerprint database for the hundreds of thousands of Illegals that are apprehended every year. Later, if those prints show up on some Illegal with false papers, they can be ID'd through the database on Illegals.

Finally, it's nothing to declare that all Illegals will never be permitted to obtain guest worker status, or permanent residency. One strike and they're gone.

[edchambers]

I think the time is ripe for a real conservative to enter the Republican primary (will we even have one in 2004?)

This is madness.Putting a conservative up against "W" will only split the vote and hand the presidency to Hitlery or Dean or Clark.Now in 08 that's a different story depending on the economy and the war there may be an oportunity to put a real conservative on the ballot.

[edchambers]

What kills me is that this reporter can manage to find plenty of admitted illegals to interview but he can't or won't turn them in to the Border Patrol.It's like these reporters that keep interviewing members of Hamas OK fine get the interview but tip off the IDF so they can blow them up after you've got your "exclusive".

[Oatka]

What an odd position. Seems pretty obvious that the solution to the 'conundrum' is not only tighter borders, but to also do a little bit inside the country, say maybe, have police who identify illegal aliens in the course of regular operations turn the information, if not the people, over to the INS.

That's what I was thinking. If they become a static population then it is easier to identify and deport them. Maybe the border tightening is working better than it appears.

[bjcintennessee]

Read later.

[RnMomof7]

Bump

[GeronL]

Illegal Alien

[GeronL]

Join the Free State Party!! I want to have a party, so I am starting one =o)