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New California City Ordinance Says It's A Beach, Not An Ashtray
Herald Tribune ^ | 10/12/03 | Tony Perry

Posted on 10/12/2003 4:12:33 AM PDT by Normally a Lurker

On the beach here you can sunbathe, surf some of the best waves in Southern California, and enjoy the picnic food of your choice. Tai-chi devotees do their morning exercises on the water's edge, and the weekend air is full of Frisbees and footballs.

What you can't do, at least after a new city ordinance takes effect next month, is smoke.

This upscale, health-conscious city (population 13,000) north of San Diego is on the verge of becoming the first in California - maybe the continental U.S. - to ban smoking on the beach.

The reasons are many: the look, the smell, the dangers of secondhand smoke, the accumulated cigarette butts in the sand. Add some pressure from local teenagers who feel protective toward the 1.4-mile long beach, and the City Council this week voted 5-0 to ban smoking on the beach and the city's public park.

"We're tired of our beach being an ashtray," said Councilman Joe Kellejian.

Two weeks ago the teenagers - part of the Youth Tobacco Prevention Corps - joined their elders in a daylong cleanup of the beach and nearby San Elijo Lagoon. Dozens of bags of trash were gathered and carted away.

The teens found that cigarette butts were the No. 1 type of trash. Nothing new there. In a previous cleanup more than 6,000 butts were collected in 60 minutes.

And so Solana Beach will join the famed Haunama Bay in Hawaii as a no-smoking zone.

The local chapter of the American Lung Assn. hopes Solana Beach is a trendsetter. The city prides itself for having been one of the first to ban smoking in restaurants, in advance of a state law. To the anti-smoking activists, the next frontier is the nation's beaches, parks and public patios.

"The time seems to be ripe for this," said Debra Kelley, the association's vice president.

The issue is not new to the beach communities. In 1987, voters in Del Mar turned down a smoking ban for that city's beaches. The political winds, however, have begun to shift.

The San Diego city attorney is developing a beach-smoking ordinance for the City Council to consider. The lung association would like the San Diego Zoo and Wild Animal Park to ban outdoor smoking, but so far the answer has been no.

A zoo spokeswoman said that while the zoo and Wild Animal Park ban smoking in all lines and interior spaces, an overall ban does not seem enforceable without a civic ordinance to back it up. The park and zoo are on city property.

Encinitas and Del Mar, which border Solana Beach to the north and south, respectively, have also shown little interest in banning smoking on the beach.

"We'll keep after them," said Candice Porter, coordinator of the teen group.

In Solana Beach, to the delight of the lung association, the council opted for the toughest version of the ban, choosing not to designate smoking areas. Smoking will be forbidden on the sand, the water or even the parking lot at Fletcher Cove, the city's primary beach access.

At the council meeting, there were no objections. But as word of the ban has reached residents, there has been some grumbling.

"I thought the beach was a place where you were free to be yourself," said Lloyd Matlin, Solana Beach resident, "occasional smoker," and beach jogger. "I guess not. Government is everywhere."

Even some non-smokers feel the ban is a step too bold. "Another of our rights is being taken away," said surfer Milton Willis, his board under his arm as he headed to sea.

"You mean a surfer can't watch the sunset and enjoy a smoke even if there isn't anyone around? That's not right, man."

Officials admit enforcement will be minimal. Signs will be posted warning of a fine. Sheriff's deputies will not be pulled away from higher-priority duties. But if smokers refuse to comply, a crackdown is possible.

"If someone comes down to the beach where families congregate and wants to be a scofflaw, we'll probably have to cite that person," said Kellejian. "We'd be shirking our duty to the community otherwise."

The fine will probably be $50, the same as the fine for smoking in a restaurant, officials said.

Beyond health and visual concerns, the city has another reason to be worried about butts on the beach. Officials are concerned that the city could be fined by the Regional Water Quality Control Board if it doesn't stop cigarette remnants from washing into the ocean.

Everybody seems to have his own smoking story. Mayor Tom Golich remembers being repulsed when he was enjoying the beach with friends and a cigar-smoker strolled by.

"The whole beach was polluted by the smell," said Golich. "That really sticks in my mind."

And if the governor-elect, known to enjoy a cigar, ever comes to Solana Beach and ventures to the beach?

"We'll have to talk to Arnold about that," the mayor said.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: beach; california; pufflist; smoking; smokingbans
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1 posted on 10/12/2003 4:12:34 AM PDT by Normally a Lurker
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To: Normally a Lurker
Now if they would just ban (if you think cigarette butt litter is gross) suntan oil ,condoms, tampons, and disposable diapers
2 posted on 10/12/2003 4:28:58 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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3 posted on 10/12/2003 4:30:50 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: SheLion
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4 posted on 10/12/2003 5:15:08 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Normally a Lurker; *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; ...
The reasons are many: the look, the smell, the dangers of secondhand smoke, the accumulated cigarette butts in the sand. Add some pressure from local teenagers who feel protective toward the 1.4-mile long beach, and the City Council this week voted 5-0 to ban smoking on the beach and the city's public park.

The dangers of SECOND HAND SMOKE IN THE OPEN AIR?????? What a crock!

Second Hand Smoke Frauds

The local chapter of the American Lung Assn. hopes Solana Beach is a trendsetter. The city prides itself for having been one of the first to ban smoking in restaurants, in advance of a state law. To the anti-smoking activists, the next frontier is the nation's beaches, parks and public patios.

The whole beach was polluted by the smell," said Golich. "That really sticks in my mind."

Whaaaaaaaaaaat?  He's an idiot!  Who the hell can smoke cigarette smoke on the beach?  Who's lap was HE sitting on that was SMOKING!  He's a dried up old prune.

"We'll have to talk to Arnold about that," the mayor said.

I just read an article about how Arnold loves his cigars and how he wants to turn around the smoking ban to allow each business to decide for himself.  I wish I could remember where I read it.  If I find it, I will post it.

Like I say so many times:  if it's so bad for us and everybody, why don't they work to BAN the stuff!  It's just about more power play on the "little people"

 

5 posted on 10/12/2003 5:51:12 AM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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Do these people walk to the beach? Or do they drive there in their pollution free, 2 ton SUV's?

BTW Laura Earl and i got engaged yesterday. I took her to look at diamonds and settings and when she found the one she liked I had them clean it for one more look with the loop. After I looked at it I dropped to one knee and proposed. (I didn't want to walk out with it in a box). We were stupid giddy all day. Heck we've been living together for six years.
6 posted on 10/12/2003 5:58:38 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I have over 41 years experience, at acting 8 years old. That will be 42 years in Jan 04.)
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To: Flurry
BTW Laura Earl and i got engaged yesterday. I took her to look at diamonds and settings and when she found the one she liked I had them clean it for one more look with the loop. After I looked at it I dropped to one knee and proposed. (I didn't want to walk out with it in a box). We were stupid giddy all day. Heck we've been living together for six years.

CONGRATULATIONS FLURRY!!!!!

Good for you!  I wish you and Laura Earl all the very best!!!  She's a lucky gal!!!

7 posted on 10/12/2003 6:04:56 AM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Flurry
Flurry!

Congratulations!

And Best Wishes to the Bride!
Best of Luck you guys!

Tia

8 posted on 10/12/2003 6:24:14 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: Flurry
BTW, you REALLY need to announce that on a different thread!

;-)

Tia

9 posted on 10/12/2003 6:25:13 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: Normally a Lurker
Once I saw an abandoned bikini top on a beach. They should ban those also.
10 posted on 10/12/2003 6:35:21 AM PDT by Blue Screen of Death (,/i)
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To: Normally a Lurker
Maybe instead of banning cigarette smoking they should just fine anyone who leaves a butt on the beach for littering. They should be doing that with anyone who litters.
11 posted on 10/12/2003 6:53:28 AM PDT by Conservative Me
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To: Normally a Lurker
Are empty tubes of KY jelly banned also? I bet not.
12 posted on 10/12/2003 7:14:09 AM PDT by DH
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Everybody seems to have his own smoking story. Mayor Tom Golich remembers being repulsed when he was enjoying the beach with friends and a cigar-smoker strolled by.

Oh my, a cigar walking by, and the whole beach smelled, does he feel the same way when a bus drives by. ?

13 posted on 10/12/2003 7:15:16 AM PDT by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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To: Flurry
#6........ CONGRATULATIONS.
14 posted on 10/12/2003 7:18:06 AM PDT by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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To: SheLion
Smokers have had every chance in the world to be responsible with their chosen habit. If smoking gets banned because they use the beaches as their ashtrays then they have no one else to blame but themselves.
15 posted on 10/12/2003 7:26:03 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Smokers have had every chance in the world to be responsible with their chosen habit. If smoking gets banned because they use the beaches as their ashtrays then they have no one else to blame but themselves.

Thanks for that report, JIHAD.

16 posted on 10/12/2003 7:40:09 AM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Amen, brother. I would switch to filterless when going to the beach. That way I felt more guilt about dropping a pistachio shell.
17 posted on 10/12/2003 7:44:50 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Cultural Jihad
Smokers have had every chance in the world to be responsible with their chosen habit. If smoking gets banned because they use the beaches as their ashtrays then they have no one else to blame but themselves.

In which case we should ban babies, lots of soiled diapers left behind, ban eating at the beaches, lots of food containers left behind...... need I go on, what is this fixation with just one kind of litter, get a grip.

18 posted on 10/12/2003 8:40:10 AM PDT by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Personally, I would rather look at a discarded cigarette butt than a gaggle of idiots going through their Tai-Chi regimen.
19 posted on 10/12/2003 8:46:56 AM PDT by zygoat
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To: Great Dane
Hardly so. Anyone can study and compare the behaviors of diaper-changers and food container-openers to smokers and see that very few smokers carry out their own trash. Furthermore, caring for babies and consuming moderate amounts of food are healthy, normal, and moral activities whereas the same cannot be said for smoking.
20 posted on 10/12/2003 8:49:55 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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