Posted on 10/09/2003 2:22:31 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA
"There's a bill that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) has introduced that I think is terrific. It gives temporary working permits to immigrants so they can come in and out of this country, out of this state, and also, you know, there's another idea. Undocumented immigrants who come here before August 2003 can apply for visas especially if they don't have a criminal background. And if they have a job right now, they can apply for that visa. So there are different programs I want to push in that direction to help undocumented immigrants."
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In 1987, Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million illegal Mexicans who, by the way, sponsored another 3 million of their relatives once they became citizens.
You answer your own question. How did Reagan's amnesty stop illegals? It didn't. Amnesty rewards ILLEGAL behavior and begets more illegals.
The illegals are taking entry-level jobs and displacing Americans, including intercity youths and legal low wage & uneducated legal immigrants.
Do a little research at the Center for Immigration Studies:
Tired and Poor: The Bankrupt Arguments for Mass, Unskilled Immigration
by Steven A. Camarota
National Review, September 3, 2001
We at the Center for Immigration Studies estimate that the average Mexican immigrant will use $55,200 more in public services during his lifetime than he pays in taxes.
In California and New Jersey, the average immigrant-headed household currently uses $3,463 and $1,484 more, respectively, in services provided by state and local govern- ment than it pays in taxes. This translates into an added tax burden of $1,178 imposed on each native household in California and $232 in New Jersey (Table 3 on page 7)
Immigration was responsible for 44 percent of the decline in relative wages (com- pared to other workers) for high school dropouts from 1980 to 1994.
Immigration from Mexico: Assessing the Impact on the United States
by Steven A. Camarota
Center for Immigration Studies Paper No. 19
reduction in wages for the unskilled has likely reduced prices for consumers by only an estimated .08 to .2 percent in the 1990s. The impact is so small because unskilled labor accounts for only a tiny fraction of total economic output.
I knew it! I knew it!
You will literally trash ANYBODY to win an arguement and make yourself feel superior to everybody here!
ROFLMAO.............just too funny!
Not really, you dodged.
Ronald Reagan was all about the rule of law, he was also an unusual combination of an idealist and a pragmatist.
As a communicator, he would elevate the idea, as a politician, he would identify and work within the reality of the issue.
He knew that finding, rounding up, and removing three million people who did not wish to be found, rounded up, and removed, would cause far more damage to the rule of law than the actual act of amnesty. He knew that the very same rule of law, would not allow for the military solutions called for by those he termed "radical conservatives". So, he opted for a realistic approach.
What he failed to do was to implement the program that Arnold is talking about. Perhaps Ronnie thought that NAFTA would eliminate the need for Mexican nationals to seek employment in the U.S. by improving their job market at home.
I’m in no way in favor of illegal immigration, I am however, a pragmatist, and wish to see a realistic approach to a real problem taken by someone, and no one has proposed a plan that would pass constitutional muster to find, round up, and remove ten million people from our soil.
I'm just trying to figure this out.
Do the illegals go armed with guns to the business owners and say… Give me a job? Or do the business owners decide whom they want to hire. Why do you blame the illegals? The business owners are the ones whose greed or desire to make the most of their money lead them to take this path. The more they hire illegals the more illegals you are going to have. It's quite simple, really.
Well, illegals do commit many crimes, other than the crime of illegal immigration, and the estimated 25% of criminals in CA prisons will attest to this.
However, I do agree with you about the businesses, and if you have read any of my posts, you will see that I believe that all businesses who knowlingly hire illegals should be severly prosecuted. That does not excuse the initial crime of breaking and entering into our country committed by the illegals. Both the illegals and the businesses should be prosecuted.
The mere fact that they are here and undocumented constitutes a criminal history, AFAIC.
Surely you meant to say that (R)nuld is
PRO-ABORTION.
When Reagan did the first amnesty, that was supposed to be the deal. Legalize those who were here, and no more.
It's sure a lot easier (and doable) than finding, apprehending, and deporting millions, while processing millions more to replace the ones you're throwing out, and doing it all in a manner that will not hurt an already ailing economy.
The primary reason the economy is hurting is that people are under-employed or unemployed. There would be absolutely no need to replace the invaders. A lot of people at or near retirement have some particular chore they love doing...watching kids, lawnwork, housework, shopping, for me it's laundry. Teens would be much better off doing these jobs, learning to set up a small business, and earning respect through hard work and responsibility, than they are flipping hamburgers, etc.
The other side? Countries that are now losing those people who come here would be a real asset for their home countries, and after a taste of freedom, they'd be great advocates for freedom and better economic decisions in their homelands. On the other end of the spectrum, how many countries are providing their citizens with cheap university and professional educations then losing this resource, its people, to the US?
Globalism isn't working, except for the CEOs, etc., who benefit from exploiting labor. And as far as the Arnold-immigration thing? He didn't say anything ahead of time, unfortunately wasn't pushed on the issue, and comes in with the views that cost Davis huge support. It might not have been dishonest, but it sure was devious, misleading, and caluculating.
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What did Ronnie do, leave strict orders for other Presidents that followed NOT to do anything similar?
I can't help it if you all bought into the whole "one time only" thing, but a president can't mandate beyond his term in office.
As for the rest of your rant, it's more of the usual crap that Americans will take up the slack...tell you what, you send YOUR kids or YOUR grandkids into the fields to pick tomatoes and cut grass for a living, YOU send YOUR daughter or grandaughter into the maid pool at the local Holiday Inn, I'm not. Then you can figure out how to increase the birth rates in this country so that we can better replace the retiring hordes of baby boomers and maintain the Social Security system viable.
The birthrate is low because of liberalism and all of the vile destructive poisons it has unleashed on society. The FACT is that these people ARE BREAKING THE LAW as well as BREAKING THE BANK. I notice Mexico closed its border with Guatemala! I notice Mexico doesn't issue licenses to Americans.
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