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Dems to revive draft demand - (Dilusional) Rep. Rangel and Sen. Hollings see new mood on Iraq
Hill News ^ | 10/8/03

Posted on 10/08/2003 10:50:18 AM PDT by areafiftyone

Key Democrats in the House and Senate will renew calls for the military draft as part of a critical barrage they are preparing to launch against President Bush over the length of troop deployments and the heavy reliance on reservists in Iraq.

Military experts outside Congress say there is a political advantage to be gained by Democrats who want to make the president squirm at a time a growing frustration among military families and other Americans over the occupation.

But they also say that there are legitimate policy grounds for re-instituting the draft, which was phased out after the Vietnam war.

Leading Democratic critics of the structure of troop deployment in the Middle East — proponents of a universal military draft — are Rep. Charles Rangel (N.Y.) and Sen. Fritz Hollings (D-S.C.), the top Democrats on the House Ways and Means and Senate Commerce Committees, respectively.

Rangel has instructed his staff to conduct an in-depth review of the make-up of National Guard and armed services reserve units.

“My staff is researching now the number of people killed in action and wounded in action and where did they come from,” said Rangel. “It’s a profile of who are the National Guard people and what are their backgrounds and how fragile are their economic backgrounds.

“Are they people who thought they’d be spending a year in the combat area where they are fish in a barrel and there is no game plan at all?,” he asked rhetorically.

Such information could serve as a pillar for future Democratic attacks on the administration’s handling of reconstruction efforts, which have become more frequent and intense since Congress authorized the use of force last fall.

Rangel said many people had joined the National Guard for economic incentives, or to feel patriotic and march in Memorial Day parades, or to respond to floods or other emergencies but not to spend a year in Iraq.

Rangel said he wants to show the public that Americans being killed and wounded in Iraq are not unknown people or solely professional warriors, but ordinary citizens. Hollings declared that if that Rangel renews a push for the draft, “I’ll join him.”

In January, Rangel and Hollings introduced H.R. 163 in the House and S. 89 in the Senate, respectively. The legislation would re-institute a draft to compulsory military or alternative national service for men and women between the ages of 18 and 26 who are U.S. citizens or residents.

“I think it’s a combination of political move and more positively a wish to restore the concept of giving back to the community or serving the nation,” said Marcus Corbin, a senior analyst at the Center for Defense Information.

However, Corbin questioned the timing of renewed discussion of the draft, saying: “I don’t see it as something viable politically. Right now the feeling of not wanting troops in Iraq is as strong as it’s ever been with all the reserve mobilization. There seems to be growing resistance to the operation in Iraq.”

The issue could be more politically potent now, because in the intervening months since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein’s regime, large numbers of U.S. troops and reservists have been needed in Iraq to quell terrorism and maintain order.

Adding to difficulties for the administration, foreign allies have refused to contribute a meaningful number of soldiers to share the peacekeeping duties, as U.S. strategists anticipated at the start of the war.

As a result, tours of duty for American soldiers have been extended beyond expectations and reservists have spent more time in combat conditions then they or their families had anticipated.

Even top Republicans in Congress have grown critical of the Pentagon’s troop deployments.

Last week, House Majority Leader Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) called for a full review of the structure of U.S. armed forces. He expressed concern about the frequent use of the National Guard and Reserves.

“Brave Americans join the Guard and Reserves to make their skills available to our nation during times of crisis or particular need — not because they want to serve in the permanent forces,” he said. However, a spokeswoman for Blunt said he supports an all-volunteer force and would not support a draft.

Blunt’s disgruntlement shows that dissatisfaction with the heavy reliance on reserves is becoming a bipartisan issue that is gaining political traction, which could give Democrats an electoral weapon they are clearly ready to use.

Rangel said Republican lawmakers have privately expressed support for a draft but would not advocate it now because of fear of undermining the president.

“You see the problems they’re having in finding replacements for the troops that are over there,” said Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), the top Democrat on the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee.

“We can’t sustain a one front war for any length of time.,” said Murtha, who supports a draft but is not sure the time is ripe for its reintroduction. “You can make the deployment but you can’t sustain it because we have so many worldwide commitments, so I’m for the draft.

“There’s 128,000 [troops] over there right now. To sustain 128,000 American troops [you have to] have more National Guard and reserve troops than regular.”

He added, “I don’t think we can afford that. I’m talking about the complaints I’m getting right now from all reserves and guards about their lives being so disrupted. I’m getting major complaints from almost every major unit.”

Michael O’Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, said he does not think the Democrats’ support for the draft was politically motivated.

“I would acknowledge that there is a big problem with reserve operational tempo,” he said. “I do share the worries that motivate the congressmen about the draft.”

However, O’Hanlon and Corbin questioned the accuracy of Murtha’s estimate that it would require a force of 50 percent reserves to sustain the occupation in Iraq.


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KEYWORDS: conscription; hollings; militarydraft; rangel

1 posted on 10/08/2003 10:50:19 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
We can just pull our troops out of Germany, for starters. Why stay there?
Nah. We have too many all over the world the way it is. Just move them around.
The military personel knew what they were joining. It was their lifestyle choice. Democrats should show more "tolerance" for the honorable folks overseas.
The sewer RATS elitism is sickening.
2 posted on 10/08/2003 10:59:47 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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3 posted on 10/08/2003 11:00:17 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: areafiftyone
Foghort Leghorn (lame duck? lame rooster?) alert!
4 posted on 10/08/2003 11:03:09 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: areafiftyone
I’m talking about the complaints I’m getting right now from all reserves and guards about their lives being so disrupted. I’m getting major complaints from almost every major unit

Kick the whiners out then and sue them for past monetary compensation as well as training and equipment.

5 posted on 10/08/2003 11:03:21 AM PDT by xrp
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To: xrp
Kick the whiners out then and sue them for past monetary compensation as well as training and equipment.

Yep. What did they think those government checks were for, anyway?

6 posted on 10/08/2003 11:05:02 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: areafiftyone
Studies indicate that an all-volunteer force is smart, motivated, and has high retention rates. With a military like that, we can retain our status as a superpower, preserve our sovreignty in the face of UN belligerence, and promote freedom around the world.

I guess I'm not surprised that the Dems want to bring back the draft.

7 posted on 10/08/2003 11:05:44 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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To: areafiftyone
truth be told, i'm not against reenacting the Draft simply because

A) most volunteers today in our armed forces are highly patriotic; and

B) most leftists in this country aren't... which - in case of a war with heavy losses, means that

C) it's mostly "the good guys" that are gettin' hurt, and mostly the pencil-neck pinkoes who remain behind continually chipping away at our Constitutional Republic.
8 posted on 10/08/2003 11:06:52 AM PDT by CGVet58 (For my fellow Americans; my life... for our enemies; The Sword!!!)
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To: concerned about politics
Democrats should show more "tolerance" for the honorable folks overseas.

Democrats only show tolerance for homosexuals and women who want to murder their unborn children.

9 posted on 10/08/2003 11:08:50 AM PDT by scooter2
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To: concerned about politics
"The military personel knew what they were joining. It was their lifestyle choice."

The military are the most honorable among us, doing what many refuse or could not do, for horribly inadequate pay. They do it for love of country, not for the damn miserably small paycheck. They are not to be treated like hired help.
10 posted on 10/08/2003 11:13:02 AM PDT by fortaydoos
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To: areafiftyone
I think the rats want to "appear" to support bringing back the draft to actually do the opposite. It's really about bashing President Bush about the military and sneaking in liberal social garbage into the military. I believe their ultimate aim would be to just do away with it... and send volunteers to serve under the UN - with America out of the picture command-wise.
11 posted on 10/08/2003 11:13:38 AM PDT by Libertina (God Bless our proud troops and support their families!)
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To: Libertina
And what's with his concern about the length of troops being deployed in Iraq? What about the troops that have been in Bosnia for about 5 years, about 4 more than that lying sack of s... Clinton promised they'd be there. Oh that's right Charlie, since Clinton is the first black president and is pro-abortion it doesn't count. Never mind.
12 posted on 10/08/2003 11:25:56 AM PDT by marlon
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To: concerned about politics
A Viet like draft so dems can send the poor while keeping the rest in Universities ... makes populist sense ... not...

All they want is families angry at the war... it s their ploy. The pro in Iraq like what they do and they crtainly do not want to babysit draftees and activists in their ranks.
13 posted on 10/08/2003 11:26:34 AM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: Libertina
They want to go back to the days of the 60's with college unrest, sit-ins, peace rallies,
riots in the streets.

They know that when the dope-smoking FM types get a draft notice all of the above will
start to happen.

They fear the all volunteer force, they see it as a tool they can't control.

They want to create a "Vietnam" in Iraq, co-mingling US dopers in amongst the heron
dealers of the middle east.

This is not about fairness, it's about curtailing America's ability to wage a war on
terrorism.

It's sabotage!
14 posted on 10/08/2003 11:28:15 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire with meetings, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: concerned about politics
They could care less about the troops. What they want is an issue for 2004. They will say the president is overworking the troops, particularly minorities and those from poor backgrounds. They will gladly institute the draft on one hand and condem the war on the other, hoping for Viet Nam style student protests against the draft next November.
15 posted on 10/08/2003 11:33:35 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: areafiftyone
The legislation would re-institute a draft to compulsory military or alternative national service for men and women between the ages of 18 and 26 who are U.S. citizens or residents.

I shudder to think what "alternative national service" would mean.

16 posted on 10/08/2003 11:36:22 AM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: marlon
And what about Clinton's ravaging the U.S. troop size so there isn't enough troops to rotate?

And Rangel...what a waste of flesh. Alot of lower socio-economic people join the armed forces as a means for an education or a paycheck.

A big DUH to both of 'em....Hey, Hollings, don't let the doorknob hit you in the a** on your way out.....
17 posted on 10/08/2003 11:39:21 AM PDT by samanella
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To: marlon
now you've got it ;)
18 posted on 10/08/2003 11:54:13 AM PDT by Libertina (God Bless our proud troops and support their families!)
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To: Robe
YES.
19 posted on 10/08/2003 11:54:37 AM PDT by Libertina (God Bless our proud troops and support their families!)
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To: fortaydoos
As the wife of a retired (35 years) Air Guardsman abd the mother of a current one, I'm getting tired of the media and dims trashing the Guard. My son's unit deployed to the Iraq war and he was extremely upset that he didn't get out of Tech School in time to go. I know plenty of deployed army guard types too. They know what they signed up for and we are all proud of them. They aren't having problems keeping the units up to strength.
20 posted on 10/08/2003 12:06:35 PM PDT by Himyar
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