Posted on 10/07/2003 10:53:06 AM PDT by Willie Green
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The American consumers have hurt themselves by being awed by the "better deal" Trojan horse and consistently sending their hard-earned dollars overseas to the coffers of foreign-owned companies being subsidized by the American government. These companies then take the lion's share of the profits, pay taxes there to support their homeland, and come back and buy up more of the American pie, while greedy politicians and CEOs to massage our trade laws to their benefit.
Every American should read author Roger Simmermaker's hot new book: "How Americans Can Buy American" before our sovereignty is completely sold out and the living standard bar is lowered more. The first chapter can be read online, and the author can be contacted there.
Burdened with legacy costs, three times higher taxes and government-imposed regulations, domestic-owned companies have to compete with slave labor and are forced to look for the cheapest way to conduct business to please the consumer's demands for the cheapest, thus the job exodus.
In essence, the American consumers helped fuel the same vehicle that came back and ran over them. We will become a colony again by losing our manufacturing independence, only this time under Asian rule. Total capitalism will be the death of our middle class society. Do you think the wealthiest among us care? Only Wal-Mart workers and rich CEOs will be left.
The Internal Revenue Service was formed to make up for the deficit when the tariffs were dropped in 1913. That's why all four great men on Mount Rushmore were protectionists. Do you like April 15? Grandma was right when she told you, "Don't be penny wise and pound foolish!"
Barbara Glepko-Toncheff
Chagrin Falls, Ohio
LOL. First you admit that your analogy is simplistic and then you want me to waste my time taking it seriously?
You are the one who believes in protectionism. You just believe in it for foreign entities while America is required to remain passive. And it was Lenin who wanted just such an arrangement with America. You are the collectivist.
Democracy is a tool that we use but we are not a democratic nation we are a republic. Protection from foreign mercantilism is a tool that we should use but that doesnt make us protectionist. There is alot more to the US Constitution than your simplistic thinking can understand.
So you have no problem trading with a government that is diametrically opposed to your own?
Even without regard to the previous post, the question, although loaded is silly. We have always traded with the communist countries; the only exception is Cuba.
I had no idea that USA and communist countries are located on a circle --- at the opposite ends of a diameter.
That you don't care if it treats its citizens as slaves that should do its own bidding?
Suppose I know that you mistreat your wife. If I trade with you, does that mean I don't care about your behavior? Of course not. The same is with countries.
You have to brush up on logic a bit. It would also help (you) if you did not assume the worst in people.
That is exactly the point: you view trade as a favor to that country. Trade is only trade if is mutually beneficial. We buy from China because it is good for us. It's no favor.
You suggest to use trade as a means of foreign policy. That has never been particularly effective, and it's also costly for our citizens. Regardless, it is then a question of tactics, not ethics. Now, if there is some particular event of act of the foreign government that we abhore, then as a statement we could use the threat of suspension of trade. I personally would welcome that. But that has nothing to do with our trade with China.
The crimes of communism are compared to "mistreating" a wife?!? LOL, I think you can do one hell of alot better than that. Try replacing "mistreat" with a real group of communist crimes. But then it would be hard for you to brush off someone who could be such an obvious danger to your own familiy wouldnt it?
In reality we treated the soviet union as the evil empire and beat them. The failure of our "free trade" with communist china has proven itself in the form of china's quick and dramatic transformation into a modern military with high tech nuclear missiles.
It is not a good quality that you have sidestepping around such glaring distictions.
But then it would be hard for you to brush off someone who could be such an obvious danger to your own familiy wouldnt it? How do you know what I did and did not experience in my own life? How do you know I am not a refugee from Hungary? Or Russia? Or Angola?
Just shows how stupid it is to reduce arguments to personalities, especially with people you don't know.
What's even worse is that you are doing the same thing liberals do: suspect your opponents of some impure motives. That is both silly and immoral.
In reality we treated the soviet union as the evil empire How, specifically, in the area of trade did we treat them as eveil empire. Go check on the amount of grain we were selling them, for instance.
If you have no clue abut the issue, do you really have to scream some nonsence about it?
and beat them. We did not beat that empire: we outlived it. Judging by the speed with which socialism takes hold of this country, I would not be so hasty as to feel victorious. Safe -- yes, but not victorious.
The failure of our "free trade" with communist china has proven itself in the form of china's quick and dramatic transformation into a modern military with high tech nuclear missiles. And North Korean capabilities are explained by free trade as well?
Silly.
is not a good quality that you have sidestepping around such glaring distictions. It does not look as if you can tell "side" from "front" to detect any sidestepping.
This "conversation" leads nowhere: you can chase me all you want trying to corner, but the truth is, we always traded with communist countries.
And when it comes to ethics, you are confused (I do not refer to your values but to the manner in which you apply them). There is a difference between supporting someone and taking action that happens to be beneficial to someone.
Once again: your adverserial manner --- your constant imputations of motives and values --- reveals nothing but your own weakness.
I have no further comments on this matter.
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LOL
But then it would be hard for you to brush off someone who could be such an obvious danger to your own familiy wouldnt it? How do you know what I did and did not experience in my own life? How do you know I am not a refugee from Hungary? Or Russia? Or Angola?
Just shows how stupid it is to reduce arguments to personalities, especially with people you don't know.
What's even worse is that you are doing the same thing liberals do: suspect your opponents of some impure motives. That is both silly and immoral.
Eh? I dont need to know you, your history, or where you are from. In the "comparison" you made, you could not knowingly trade with someone who commits crimes similiar to what is committed in a communist country. Otherwise I can just write you off as a wackjob.
In reality we treated the soviet union as the evil empire How, specifically, in the area of trade did we treat them as eveil empire. Go check on the amount of grain we were selling them, for instance.
Yes we gave them misguided foreign aid by of course misguided leftists. "Evil empire" meant no more screwing around with enemies.
and beat them. We did not beat that empire: we outlived it.
No we proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were not going to out develope us militarily.
The failure of our "free trade" with communist china has proven itself in the form of china's quick and dramatic transformation into a modern military with high tech nuclear missiles. And North Korean capabilities are explained by free trade as well?
Foreign aid.
You don't deserve any further reply.
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