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Computer Experts Fear Recall Voter Fraud
AP via Yahoo ^ | 10/6/2003 | Rachel Conrad

Posted on 10/07/2003 9:52:41 AM PDT by SteveH

Computer Experts Fear Recall Voter Fraud

Mon Oct 6, 2:43 PM ET

By RACHEL KONRAD, Associated Press Writer

SAN JOSE, Calif. - Punch-card ballots from Tuesday's historic recall election are sure to get a going-over by political activists, but some computer scientists think touch-screen voting machines deserve just as much scrutiny.

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While punch-card ballots caused headaches for Florida election officials with their "hanging" and "pregnant" chads, nearly one in 10 California voters will be using touch-screen machines, which don't produce printouts voters can see. And no paper printouts, the scientists say, would make a legitimate recount impossible.

"You can't do a meaningful recount if the question is about the integrity of the voting machines themselves," said David Dill, a computer science professor at Stanford University. He urged voters in the four counties using touch-screen terminals to vote with absentee ballots.

The concern of Dill and some of his colleagues was dismissed as overblown and irresponsible by county registrars and executives at the companies that sell and update the electronic voting machines.

None of the elections officials who supervise the 50,000 touch-screen machines serviced nationwide by Diebold Election Systems has reported glitches or computer hacks that have resulted in known miscounts or fraud, said Mark Radke, director of the voting industry division of North Canton, Ohio-based Diebold.

But according to a July study by Johns Hopkins and Rice universities, any clever hacker could break into Diebold's system and vote multiple times. Researchers found it was theoretically possible to insert "back doors" into software code that would allow hackers — or insiders — to change future voters' choices and determine the outcome.

Activists are demanding that ballot machine vendors include printers that produce paper receipts so citizens can confirm that paper results match their touch-screen choices. Receipts would go into a county lock-box for use in recounts.

"It's horrifying and ridiculous that these machines don't have a voter-verifiable audit trail," said Rebecca Mercuri, a Harvard University research fellow who specializes in computer security and voting systems.

Officials from one affected county, Riverside County, have "total confidence" in the electronic system used by its 650,000 voters, said Mischelle Townsend, registrar of voters. On election day the county tests all 4,250 touch-screens for logic and accuracy, confirming that a "yes" vote is recorded as a "yes," Townsend emphasized.

"The machines have always been adjudicated to be reliable and accurate," said Townsend, who has supervised 19 touch-screen elections and five recounts since November 2000. "There's never been a single incident of what the scientists fear."

After polls close, elections officials make another accuracy check. They get printouts for 1 percent of voters in every precinct and compare the digital record with the printouts.

Electronic voting advocates acknowledge no system is perfect but say touch-screen machines are better than older technology.

The ACLU is watching closely for evidence of voter disenfranchisement, as is the California Democratic Party, which began soliciting $100,000 last week for a "No More Floridas!" campaign to scrutinize alleged violations.

The computer scientists will be watching as well, looking for statistical anomalies in touch-screen counties.

"The very thought of a recount — it's chilling," said Alameda County assistant registrar Elaine Ginnold. "We're all hoping there will be a huge margin because a recount would plug things up for quite a while."

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On the Net:

California Voter Foundation: http://www.calvoter.org


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bustamante; california; davis; electionfraud; electionsfraud; fraud; mcclintock; recall; schwarzenegger; touchscreen; voterfraud
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See also

http://www.blackboxvoting.com

and

a Blackboxvoting.com California recall blog, here.

1 posted on 10/07/2003 9:52:42 AM PDT by SteveH
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2 posted on 10/07/2003 9:53:33 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: SteveH
Touch-screen voting is scary.
But I find at least as scary that people believe manufactured polls like "43% want to keep Davis" (SURVEY USA, 10/6/03) . I mean any idiot should be able to see from the rallies (for instance a total of 35 supporters showed up to hear Davis at Long Beach) that this is

IMPOSSIBLE

. But it is the tacit acceptance of such polls that lays the basis for the coming fraud counting the votes.
3 posted on 10/07/2003 9:54:28 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: SteveH
Recall recount. Stock up on popcorn. The fun is just getting started! LOL!
4 posted on 10/07/2003 9:55:06 AM PDT by Huck
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To: SteveH
Until Florida 2000, no one on the Democrat side was concerned with voter fraud, dangling chads, or even dead people voting.

Republicans better be working now to register new voters, because desperate democrats are already digging up bones, registering college students, (who will vote absentee and on campus), prisoners, felons, illegal immigrants, you name it.

5 posted on 10/07/2003 9:58:31 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@Dead Democrats Do Vote.com)
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To: DoctorZIn
ping
6 posted on 10/07/2003 9:59:50 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: SteveH
This is exactly what concerns me. Voter fraud + record turnout (10 million!) (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/996773/posts )may = Davis stays.

I certainly hope not, but the Dems are doing everything, which certainly includes voter fraud to keep power.
7 posted on 10/07/2003 10:02:05 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: SteveH
Tell me again how this editorial is somehow "Breaking News"...
8 posted on 10/07/2003 10:04:56 AM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: SteveH
Post-modernism has finally entered the voting booth. Thanks to Al Gore and his minions, from now on all voting methods will be viewed as suspect, arbitrary, and unreliable.
9 posted on 10/07/2003 10:05:36 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle (uo)
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To: SteveH
While punch-card ballots caused headaches for Florida election officials with their "hanging" and "pregnant" chads, nearly one in 10 California voters will be using touch-screen machines, which don't produce printouts voters can see. And no paper printouts, the scientists say, would make a legitimate recount impossible.

"You can't do a meaningful recount if the question is about the integrity of the voting machines themselves," said David Dill, a computer science professor at Stanford University. He urged voters in the four counties using touch-screen terminals to vote with absentee ballots.

WARNING ---- Watch for Democrat activists to try to save the butterfly ballot. They'll fight tooth and nail to save them.

They can use more than one ballot at a time. That's how the dimples were formed - Otherwise, the cad falls out easily.

WARNING ---- ATTENTION --- These are the people who are on his comittee for "Verified Voting.Org!!!!!!! (Democrat Commitee, NOW hags, Serra Club, Democrats.Com......)

10 posted on 10/07/2003 10:05:48 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: SteveH
The computer voting machines don't print a record so you can't "recount" and computer machines are more error prone than punch card machines...Can you say "voter nullification?"... a "hacker" could elect Joe Stalin in 2004 for POUS and no one could challenge it!
11 posted on 10/07/2003 10:06:47 AM PDT by kellynla (USMC "C" 1/5 1st Mar Div. Viet Nam '69 & '70 Semper Fi VOTE4MCCLINTOCK http://www.tommcclintock.com)
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To: SteveH; DoughtyOne; madfly; Willie Green; editor-surveyor
Officials from one affected county, Riverside County, have "total confidence" in the electronic system used by its 650,000 voters, said Mischelle Townsend, registrar of voters. On election day the county tests all 4,250 touch-screens for logic and accuracy, confirming that a "yes" vote is recorded as a "yes," Townsend emphasized.
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Guys, This idiotic seeming woman seems to have NO conception of "extra" votes being cast. But, seeing that she is probably a democrat, she probably knows VERY well. How much to buy a programer in today's marketplace???? Peace and love, George.
12 posted on 10/07/2003 10:07:53 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Southack
Tell me again how this editorial is somehow "Breaking News"...

It's breaking news in my opinion because it has to do with the voting process which is being used in the recall today, and the potential for fraud is in my opinion important for every responsible citizen and voter to be made aware of, at the earliest possible opportunity.

13 posted on 10/07/2003 10:12:19 AM PDT by SteveH ((why can't we all just get along??? ;-))
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To: Rabid Republican
ping
14 posted on 10/07/2003 10:13:16 AM PDT by SteveH ((why can't we all just get along??? ;-))
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To: Huck
I love Mark Twain. Don't you wish he were here to report on the current election?
I'm well-stocked with popcorn, it's going to be a long night. ;)

A Few Twain quotes to set the mood:

"There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress."
"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself."
"PUBLIC SERVANT: Persons chosen by the people to distribute the graft."
"No man's life, liberty, or property are safe
while the legislature is in session."
15 posted on 10/07/2003 10:13:33 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: SteveH
WOW! More members backing this man!!!

Non Violent Opponants of War, Public Land Without Livestock, Peacespan Network, Computer Specialists for Social Responsibility.

Don't trust this man. Back away from the keyboard! LOL.

Elected officials backing this group.Green Party, Democrats, School Boards, Public schools, Etc.

16 posted on 10/07/2003 10:17:22 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: SteveH
Holy crap! Look at all the lawyers this guy and his various lefties have lined up!
17 posted on 10/07/2003 10:22:25 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: SteveH
This editorial is just laying the groundwork for Democrat legal challenges after the fact...

Think about it. If California voters were paying any attention to Florida in 2000, there should be ZERO hanging chads in this election. If you punch a card, before you drop it in the ballot box, look it over and ensure all your punches went clean through. If not, flick the attached chad off with your nail. It's your ballot - Take responsibility for its condition.

If every voter in punchcard counties did this (a lot to ask, I know), all the hanging/pregnent/dimpled/pimpled chads would be proof of vote fraud and can be tossed out.
18 posted on 10/07/2003 10:26:24 AM PDT by vrwinger
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To: SteveH
I was surprised this morning that my polling place has the Diebold machines. It showed at the end I was voter number 17, a low number in my opinion that does not bode well for Davis. There was hardly anyone there, 2 or 3 retired people voting. The Diebold machine starts with a 500 word essay that I can't imagine the average Democrat would get through. Voting for Schwarzenegger required paging through 8 screens with the names all in random order. Again, this is a barrier to most Democrats who never read through 8 pages of anything in their life.

I do not trust the new machines and would like to go back to a paper optically read ballot. But I think the Diebold machines favor conservatives this election.

19 posted on 10/07/2003 10:28:31 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: SteveH
In addition to outright fraud, the Marxists have the goal of undermining all confidence in democratic (lower case "d") institutions including the voting process.

Since they largely control the courts they're happy to have voting disputes end up before judges. The Ninth Circus 3-judge panel foreshadowed charges of racial unfairness in the California vote. You can bet anything briefs have already been prepared.

"We're waiting for the day that pols can just cut out the middleman and settle all elections in court," John Fund joked (?) in a recent Opinion Journal piece.

"Courts are playing an increasing role in elections," he wrote. "Soon after Oct., 7, if either the recall or the vote for a replacement governor in the Golden State is close, the lawyers will certainly be back in court. And that's not the only race that may be litigated. This fall's race for mayor of Philadelphia also promises to be close."
20 posted on 10/07/2003 10:33:01 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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