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No Norm you don't. People on this forum should honestly evaluate issues, make their views public and defend them. It's very hard to remain objective on vitally important issues. I'm living proof of that. Keep up the good work.

You , as many here of late, have made me examine myself as closely as anyone, even as I try and examine others and their motivations and or agendas. I had seen what I felt was waffling on your part and I questioned it and implied some fence straddling was going on.

I don't need to win every point but I may have overamped on folks sometimes , including you, just to see how they react.

What we are fighting for means alot to you and I and to all those who have no voice or standing to argue for what is right and good in our system today, either because they can't and/or are timid and not wanting to be engaged in some pretty intense discourses or don't feel well versed enough to do so.

Testing one's own mettle and others isn't sport for me as it may be for some, but it sure is nice to know who is blowing smoke and who has a real flame burning within and who has your back. ;-)

I have nothing but the utmost respect for you and Jim. The decision you both came too, couldn't have been an easy one.

I just wanted you to know that.

I am hoping for the sake of Californians a lot of other people are standing up to the sleaze balls in office and the liberal media and voting AGAINST THEM.

That's what it really boils down to.

Thanks FRiend. God Bless. Mary Ann