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To: BlackElk
You really don't have a good feel for the state of public sentiment in CA.

You play down the effect of taxes: "a few temporary votes from the narrow slice of Demonrats who are now worried about taxes" You have got to be kidding me. There is a huge segment of Demonrats that are incredibly worried about taxes. The tripling of the car tax has hit all the little guys, not just the fat cats.

I know that you have a blind rage concentration on the moral issues, but that is not reflected in the CA electorate, because they do not see Arnie as a threat. He may or may not be a threat, but he is not seen as a threat by the average guy on the street.

Of course "Latinos ... do not want their grandchildren aborted". You make it sound like the Arnold Govt is going to come in and force abortions on them. Actually, even in CA those Latinos would have to decide to get an abortion themselves.

You believe that Arnold is a puppet for Wilson. I think that Arnold is his own man and is using the advice of many people across the political spectrum. I did not like a lot of Wilson's policies, but he WAS an effective campaigner. He was able to get the job done on winning elections. Utilizing him in this capacity is a smart move for Arnold.


782 posted on 10/07/2003 5:03:58 AM PDT by sd-joe
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To: sd-joe
Hitler was an effective campaigner in Germany too...
824 posted on 10/07/2003 4:23:35 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution ("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
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To: sd-joe; ElkGroveDan; EternalVigilance; Avoiding_Sulla; Carry_Okie; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...
I am interested in objective reality and not transitory subjective opinion. I do not doubt that I am in disagreement with the sentiment of a California sooooo damaged by Wilson and then by Doofus and by its lunatic gerrymandered legislature that Arnold (controlled by Wilson) looks like relief.

That tripling of the car tax is undoubtedly a major burden. Since it was unilaterally imposed by Doofus by fiat, it is also undoubtedly illegal. I understand that in the People's Republic of Gollyvornia, Doofus has governed on the Clintonian basis of "I'll do what I please unless and until the judiciary can figure out how to stop me." People are very angry about the car tax now but their interest of the week will soon fade into other issues and trendiness when it is restored to the status quo ante. This is especialy true when the politician class including Arnie and Wilson revert to type to quietly stripmine them while diverting their attention with circus acts. There is an enire jukebox of oldies (energy costs, union-bashing, Wilson's patented Latino loathing and stirring up of racism among clueless Republicans, etc.) If I sound cynical, it is only because I am. In this case, cynicism is realism.

I have spent over thirty years now bleeding over pro-life. It is not a blind rage. It is actually a well-informed rage. I am really not interested in entertaining as respectable any argument that the unborn are not fully human, distinct from every other human including their parents, and absolutely entitled (other than an IMMINENT PHYSICAL LIKELHOOD of the mothers' death) to live even if inconvenient to parents and even if abortionists like Gloria Allred's husband make a fortune as paid hitmen (and women) slaughtering the children of others for a fat fee. I used to be "pro-choice" until, as a law student, I read that POS called Roe vs. Wade. If that is the best that Herod Blackmun and seven shades of gray on SCOTUS could do to justify abortion, they failed.

I am sorry that you see a determination against abortion and lavenderism (and therefore Catholicism) as a "blind rage concentration." If the average Gollyvornian does not yet see Arnie as a threat on moral issues or otherwise and they have so soon forgotten what Wilson was and is, fine. It is a democracy. Elect Arnie and suffer at leisure. You will get what you collectively deserve. Reality is not modified by the subjective "wishn' and hopin'" of fiscally brutalized Gollyvornians. You don't believe it now but I hope you will have the honesty to admit when it becomes obvious that Arnie is no good on fiscal issues either. Arnie is to Wilson as Octavian was to Julius, as Nitti was to Capone, etc.

Latinos will have their grandchildren aborted when Arnie continues the regime (whatever he may say now) of public skewels utterly incapable of competent teaching but very capable of helping little thirteen-year-old Maria to avoid all those ugly recriminations at home over her pregnancy. Off to kindly Dr. Allred or one of his colleagues and another innocent Latino kid is sliced, diced and hamburgerized and the parents who pay the taxes for the skewels are kept utterly in the dark unless, of course, little Maria dies of a punctured uterus or it is later discovered that she has been rendered sterile (hear the wild cheering of Wilson and Buffett and their racist Planned Barrenhood buddies) but, hey, it couldn't be avoided, right? If, God forbid, this should happen to a girl you know, you will probably experience what you too snidely reference as "blind rage."

As to your last paragraph, time will tell. If Arnie turns out to be almost vaguely civilized on social issues or even minimally well-meaning on fiscal issues (which means cutting spending not raising taxes), you may look for my concession as to either to be posted right here. I hope I may expect from you frank concessions of your deep disappointment and feelings of betrayal after Arnie governs as Wilson did. Wilson very effectively alienated the socially conservative future majority of Gollyvornians who are Latino.

839 posted on 10/07/2003 6:03:06 PM PDT by BlackElk (Schwarzenegger is as Republican as Pete Wilson or George McGovern or Hillary!!!)
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