[Reagan Disciple]

Has Keyes forgotten this is California? The basic tenents of conservatism do not apply out there.

It's a blue, baby-killer state and will be for the foreseeable future. No way a guy like McClintock will ever get elected to a state office because he stands on the wrong side of every issue (life, taxes, guns) that the majority of the wackos out there hold near and dear.

The national party is better off with Arnold in there since it puts CA in play in 2004. Tom would better serve the party if he took on Boxer and got a push from Arnold. Tom's views are what we need to change/form national policy and offset the likes of Hillary and Schumer.

Take this from a core conservative from the blue, baby-killer state of NY. I'm surrounded by liberals and have the ultimate morpher in Pataki as my gov. Despite his pro-choice stand, his playing footsie with the medical workers union, his need for spending - I would much rather have him than Cuomo any day and I have a tax receipts to prove it! I would think that those in CA would take Arnold over Cruz even if Tom is who they identify with.

We have survived a major defection (Jeffords - major because he took the majority, not because of the man), leadership fallout (both Newt and Lott), and having detestable people like Snowe and Chaffee flying our flag.

Arnold is not going to bring the party down but he will give Bush a chance to take CA if he can get the local economy pointing (not recovered) in the right direction be late next year.

As always, some GOPers just can't help stepping over the crack only to trip on the log.

[EternalVigilance]

The basic tenents of conservatism do not apply out there.

Balderdash.

But even if you were right, how do you figure that conservatives supporting liberals help change that dynamic. Think, man.

[SunStar]

It's a blue, baby-killer state and will be for the foreseeable future.

So then, I guess the opposition party should run blue, baby-killer candidates?

[BlackElk]

If Dubya can carry New York, it will have everything to do with 9/11 and nothing to do with Pataki. Dubya won't be carrying California, particularly if the GOP there is turned over to soulless surrender monkeys.

Arnie, Wilson and Buffett have one ambition: stripmining Gollyvornia taxpayers for a few years. They will say what they think needs to be said to facilitate that ambition.

Their existence delays the return to sanity of Gollyvornia by a few years if Arnie loses and for many if he wins (since the GOP will be blamed for the entire mess under hapless Arnie manipulated by Wilson and Buffett).

If New York had kept re-electing Cuoumo, it might have wound up with senators like Chuckie Schumer and Mrs. Arkansas Antichrist. But New York did not re-elect Cuomo and nonetheless ........