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California gun owners, George Bush is watching you
Keep and Bear Arms ^ | October 6, 2003 | David Codrea

Posted on 10/05/2003 9:39:47 PM PDT by Mini-14

California gun owners, George Bush is watching you.

Why?

Because on September 13, 2004, the unconstitutional federal ban against militia-suitable firearms and their standard capacity magazines is scheduled to sunset. 

So what does that have to do with George Bush?

The president has said he favors extending the ban, giving cover to the Republican-dominated Congress to reenact it, or even make it permanent and strengthen it, via the Conyers/McCarthy-introduced “Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003."

So why is George Bush watching California gun owners?

Because GOP gubernatorial candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger also supports banning “assault weapons” and enacting additionally restrictive “gun control” edicts. So if gun owners can be cowed into voting for Arnold, as opposed to proven Second Amendment champion Tom McClintock, Bush will have a pretty good indicator of just how far he can betray them without political consequences.

And if the polls are indicative of Tuesday’s election results, the answer will pretty much be “totally.”

If gun owners vote for Schwarzenegger, they will once more validate former Republican Party National Chair Lee Atwater’s cynical dismissal, “Where else do [they] have to go?”

Over the past few weeks, it has been demonstrated beyond dispute that Arnold is an enemy of the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Gun owners who vote for Arnold out of fear will have proven themselves every bit the manipulated cowards Atwater deemed them.

Arnold’s handlers tell us we must vote for him because McClintock is “too conservative” and cannot win. Yet a recent Gallup poll demonstrates “when McClintock is pitted against just Bustamante, among probable voters the Republican state senator beats the Democratic candidate handily -- by 19 percentage points.”

They offer a carrot, and tell us McClintock should bow out and run for future office, where he’ll have unified party support. What an empty promise—the same group of “moderates” opposing him now will have proven that their formula of compromise and betrayal works, write McClintock off again as “too conservative,” and push another “Big Tent” candidate—maybe even another one with Hollywood name recognition: The Republicans are making noises about running comedian Dennis Miller or actor Kelsey Grammer in future statewide races—both newly self-outed neocons who have never uttered a public word about the Second Amendment, and neither with the demonstrated political qualifications to run for dog catcher—but sure crowd pleasers for a celebrity-worshipping public.

And they offer a stick, telling us McClintock acting as a “spoiler” will end his political career, and promising to exact revenge on him later. What a hollow threat—as if any group so untethered from core values would have the guts in future contests to oppose any candidate they view as having the best chance—regardless of what he has or has not done.

As for splitting the Republican vote, it is Arnold’s backers who have done so—intentionally—in the culmination of what has been an ongoing struggle for “moderate” domination of Golden State GOP politics. The fact is, Gray Davis or Cruz Bustamante will be no worse for gun owners than Arnold Schwarzenegger. They might even be better, as Republican legislators would at least offer a nominal resistance to a Democrat governor, whereas with Arnold in office, they would be inclined to support him out of “party loyalty” (and what a pathetic oxymoron that has turned out to be.)

The fact is, if you let the GOP betray you and still reward them, you will have proven Lee Atwater was right.

The fact is, if you don’t vote for Tom McClintock, you will be telling all politicians who support us—and they are few and far between—that their faithfulness didn’t count, and that you will turn your back on them whenever someone bluffs you into thinking it is the “pragmatic” thing to do. If you do this, what incentive do you give the “good” politicians to ever stick their necks out for us?

On Tuesday, Oct. 7, I’ll be voting for Tom McClintock, and I’ll do so with a clear conscience. If it turns out that neither Arnold nor Tom wins, I’ll not feel even a twinge of guilt for my decision. I wouldn’t vote for Arnold even if Tom had dropped out, because the fact is, the Republicans haven’t turned their backs on him—they’ve turned them on the people Tom represents. Those who say otherwise just don’t get it—our rights are unalienable and inherent, and anyone who attacks them deserves nothing less than to be repelled.

The GOP establishment has denigrated the Second Amendment in this campaign as a mere “social issue” out of many, instead of what it really is—a keystone of a free republic. It’s time they learned that for some of us—I pray enough—their assault on our right to keep and bear arms under force of law is a declaration of war. So if “they” lose, tough. We gun owners are already living under evil, liberty-restricting edicts, and are in danger of having our lives destroyed if caught defying them.

Until the Republicans learn they cannot betray us, they can just feel our pain.

The fact is, George Bush and his handlers at the national level are watching this election very carefully. Because if gun owners don’t have the courage and integrity to take a principled stand, and through their numbers deny victory to a known antagonist, the future course of the Republican party will be clear.

After all, those leading it have proven to be nothing if not pragmatists.



TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2nd; amendment; bang; banglist; california; gun; guns; mcclintock; schwarzenegger; second
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To: tpaine
Sure. State government and state laws are an essential front in the war to defend the RKBA, the ignorance and dishonesty of Arnold groupies notwithstanding.
61 posted on 10/06/2003 11:00:13 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
There are over 100 candadates on the roster, I'm sure there are at least a few. You miss the point, which is the future after arnold when the bar has been set low enough for a Democrate to run as a Republican. Example in CA, no. Examples in other states that should make you think: Micheal Bloomberg, Lincoln Chaffee, Olympia Snowe, and before last year Jim Jeffords.
62 posted on 10/06/2003 11:14:17 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: Bommer
There are over 100 candadates on the roster, I'm sure there are at least a few.

Name even one. Take your time.

Examples in other states that should make you think: Micheal Bloomberg, Lincoln Chaffee, Olympia Snowe, and before last year Jim Jeffords.

Arnold's soulmates.

63 posted on 10/06/2003 11:20:42 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: absalom01; yall
The state legislature, for the past two years, has passed a bill through both houses to ban .50 BMG rifles. Tom will veto this, Arnold will sign it.

The state legislature, for the past two years, has passed legilsation to apply a tax ( 10 cents) on each round of ammunition sold in the state. Next year, Arnold will sign it, while Tom would veto.
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"Tom will veto" nothing. He's unelectable.

And.. -- You have no real evidence Arnie would sign either bill..
-- Arnies a rino, -- & like all of them he has taken positions which help his popularity.
Once elected, he may surprise us all as a one term reformer on individual liberties. If he doesn't, -- what have we lost?

64 posted on 10/06/2003 11:30:54 AM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator)
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To: Roscoe
Does this mean you have come to your senses & now deny that CA has the power to prohibit assault weapons?


65 posted on 10/06/2003 11:34:55 AM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator)
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To: Roscoe
Name even one. Take your time

Heather Peters, California Gov. Candidate running as a Republican, but says she's a Centrist. Isn't that what Democrats now call themselves? Theres your 1!

66 posted on 10/06/2003 11:37:17 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: Mr. Mojo
Thanks for the bang! :)
67 posted on 10/06/2003 11:38:55 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (Politicians and criminals want your guns for the same reason! They want control while robbing you!)
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To: Bommer
Heather Peters

What positions does she allegedly take to the left of Arnold?

68 posted on 10/06/2003 11:43:26 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: tpaine
If elected, Arnold will have the power to do considerable damage to our RTKB, while you squeal in delight.
69 posted on 10/06/2003 11:45:04 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Mr. Mojo
I believe he's talking about this: Gov. Davis Signs America's Strongest Handgun Safety Law
70 posted on 10/06/2003 11:47:48 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy.)
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To: Mini-14
The GOP establishment has denigrated the Second Amendment in this campaign as a mere "social issue" out of many, instead of what it really is—a keystone of a free republic. It's time they learned that for some of us—I pray enough—their assault on our right to keep and bear arms under force of law is a declaration of war.

What scares me is that the gun owners in CA haven't come unglued and raised enough hell to be heard all the way to DC. If the government can sail through this like a walk in the park, they will be doing it all over the country. It has to stop now!

71 posted on 10/06/2003 11:53:30 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (Politicians and criminals want your guns for the same reason! They want control while robbing you!)
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To: Roscoe
You know what Roscoe, you win! Your (R)ight! I went to her site and she is more to the right of Arnold, but says she's a Centrist. Thats more telling of your Clinton..I mean Arnold worship. Happy gropeing...uh I mean voting! Wonder if he ever told women to put ice on it. Doesn't matter, Arnold is THE NEW IMPROVED REPUBLICAN PARTY!!!! All the charateristics of Clinton with a (R) by his name and brings a Kennedy with him! Happy voting. Don't forget to flush when your done! hee hee hee!
72 posted on 10/06/2003 11:54:02 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: yall; Roscoe
Trying to reason with roscoe is like teaching a pig to sing.

Dream on bout 'squealing', roscoe me boyo..

And answer the question:

Does this mean you have come to your senses & now deny that CA has the power to prohibit assault weapons?
73 posted on 10/06/2003 12:04:21 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator)
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To: Mini-14
David Codrea bump!
74 posted on 10/06/2003 12:06:52 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
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To: tpaine
California could repeal the law, but Arnold and his groupies wouldn't like that.
75 posted on 10/06/2003 12:07:13 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Mr. Mojo
Indeed it is. .....And the Republcrats will find out the hard way, so it appears.

Yep. That's what it looks like to me too. It's hard to tell them apart these days. Our friends are few and our enemies are many.

76 posted on 10/06/2003 12:16:55 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Politicians and criminals want your guns for the same reason! They want control while robbing you!)
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To: Roscoe
Dream on bout 'squealing', roscoe me boyo..
And answer the question:

Does this mean you have come to your senses & now deny that CA has the power to prohibit assault weapons?
73





Roscoe wrote:
"California could repeal the law, -- "




Which means that you do NOT deny that CA has the power to prohibit assault weapons..

Thank You, roscoe. -- 'Outed' again.
77 posted on 10/06/2003 12:18:03 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator)
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To: tpaine
The law was passed years ago. Arnold wants the restrictions to be preserved and even extended, while his groupies squeal their support.
78 posted on 10/06/2003 12:21:32 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
The law was passed years ago. Arnold wants the restrictions to be preserved and even extended, while his groupies squeal their support.

The federal law (1994 Assault Weapons ban) is what Schwarzenegger was most likely referring to. As governor, he has zero ability to influence this, despite the strained logic of the article at the top of this thread. The fact that we're kicking the topic around in this forum shows that pro-gun voters are *not* asleep.

California's state law re: registering or banning assault weapons (Roberti-Roos, signed into law by a *Republican*, IIRC) is already pretty darned all-encompassing. They've pushed about as far as they can go, short of confiscating all semi-automatics.

Based on Roberti-Roos, the "SKS Sporter" buy-back program was the first step down the road to confiscation. The state was paying $200.00+ for each detachable-magazine SKS rifle turned in. Do any of you CA FReepers have the budget numbers and percentage of compliance info on that particular project? Expanding such a program to all currently-registered semi-autos sounds less than viable, financial speaking.

79 posted on 10/06/2003 12:51:16 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Mini-14
The fact is, if you don’t vote for Tom McClintock, you will be telling all politicians who support us—and they are few and far between—that their faithfulness didn’t count, and that you will turn your back on them whenever someone bluffs you into thinking it is the “pragmatic” thing to do.

This has to be THEE best article I've read since ISSA decided "RED" Davis and his Dumbocratic Legislature needed to be held accountable for their intentional overspending!

80 posted on 10/06/2003 1:26:32 PM PDT by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug, Holier - Than - Thou Socialist)
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