Why This Far-Right, Pro-Life Christian Plans to Vote for Schwarzenegger

Self | 10/5/2003 | Daniel J. Phillips (BibChr)

[nickcarraway]

You said it!

Look how bad it was with them harping on Colin Powell and Condi Rice about the abortion issue!

[RaceBannon]

And--of course--NONE of the Leaders of our Nation were "Flawed!!"

In Our Collective Wisdom, We NEVER chose a "Leader" with ANY "Character Flaws!!"

If we had an obvious choice, no, we didnt...until this century anyways.

Abortion and gay rights were the main things that divided the two parties, now, morals mean nothing to some people.

I have invented a new phrase: COINOS: COnservatives In Name Only

[nickcarraway]

Imagine this: Schwarzenegger looks at Bush and says, take out the pro-life candidate,or I endorse McCain (or someone else...)

[shellylet]

"Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice"
Is that a Georgian group or something?

I just stated the reality of the situation out here. To answer your question, "is California really that far gone? I don't think so, or we wouldn't be having this special election! Maybe if all of the conservatives would have cast their vote for Simon we wouldn't be going through this, but I'm willing to bet there is a whole other argument in that statement.

[bejaykay]

My point RB is that the antilife candidate should not be chosen despite iqbah's view that he is a good leader. But that we are responsible not to pick someone based purely on their leadership ability. I hesitate to use the example because of it inflammatory potential. But I would not vote fot Hitler despite what some might consider his 'leadership' capabilities. In contrast I raised the issue of guys who did not appear to be good leaders but nonetheless God chose to be such.

The disjointed mature of these posts sometimes has them making less sense than a unified essay would.

[ladyinred]

For all have sinned-----and he apologized. He hardly treats his wife as you claim. If you believe that, You have never listened to Maria!
You are also judging him on the basis of obvious hit pieces from one of the most corrupt machines in the country, the Davis regime. I do not trust all of the stories, or believe them all, as I have seen the media outright LIE about them the past few days.

Wish to God I was as righteous as some, but I am not. I believe there was only ONE who is righteous, I am but flesh, and I choose to trust that when I see slime politics, I run the opposite direction.

[Afronaut]

I wonder if he will bring this clown along?

[alwaysconservative]

Excellent points, simply excellent. I too am strongly pro-life, and choose to support Arnold anyway. Let us pray that the hearts of those you want to reach have not been hardened.

[nickcarraway]

I hope so.

[Dec31,1999]

It doesn't matter what you think or feel, or what your, or anyone eles's philosophy dictates. Only Schwarzenneger has the possibility of winning.

Reprobate Californians are NOT going to vote for McClintock no matter how much he is right, no matter how hard he or his supporters try to make it so.

[bejaykay]

My position is that
1. Antilife candidates disqualify themselves. This is not single issue voting in the sense that there are things that all of us would feel disqualify a person from holding political office. Noone really has addressed this from the other side. And I don't mean that one should say Arnold this or Tom that. Speak on the level of principles. If we make our decisions on positive principles first, the practical choices are easier.
2. Scriptures support the prolife position particularly on abortion and even in how we should vote. (See my tag line) now some may say that I am taking this verse out of context, but I argue not at all. Clearly God could anticipate that there would be representative republican democracy. His word speaks to us.
3. Neither specific scriptures nor the Bible in general support the idea, that we can make moral decisions apart from God. What kind of ice cream you like fine. But to think that God wants us to make moral decisions free from his direction as BibChr implies in his essay is wrong, in my opinion.
Disclaimer: In charity I put my thoughts forward for your consideration.

[xzins]

First, let me say that Dan is right that it's wrong to question his Christianity because of his support for X or Y candidate. I know Dan to be a biblical Christian with deep insight.

That doesn't mean I think he's right about Schwarzeneggar vs McClintock.

The following highlighted or underlined are the most substantial reasons he gives. If they are true then he is correct, the major issues have been abdicated anyway, so you might as well vote for Scwarz as for Davis:

Apart from that, McClintock has shown himself to be a poor choice as a leader.

He broke his reported promise to at least Darryl Issa that he would drop out if he couldn't win.
He irresponsibily dismisses consdierations of the consequences of his remaining in the race, on the one hand touting himself as Mr. Numbers, while on the other seeming to lose his math skills when it comes to reading polls and trends.
He knows that he is being used by Democrats and the gambling casino's to divide the vote against his party's front-runner, and takes no responsibility for his role as spoiler.
He voted for domestic partnership rights.
He mooted the subject of abortion by saying he would initiate no change in the status quo.
He would have to lead a majority-Demo legislature in a majority-Demo state, yet cannot even work as a team member with his own party, nor persuade most of it to follow his lead.

[ladyinred]

The Bible says that God sets up rulers and takes them down. Do you not believe that he allowed that pro choice Clinton into office?
When will we ever learn that we cannot legislate morality, and this is an issue of morals, or rather the lack of them. If Roe V Wade is ever overturned, and God knows I would rejoice if it was, then those so inclined will go back to the illegal abortions.
We need changes of the heart in this nation, we need to show love and compassion just as Jesus did.

[bejaykay]

I said, "But to think that God wants us to make moral decisions free from his direction as BibChr implies in his essay is wrong, in my opinion."

Dan, I if I have misstated your position here, I ask that you correct me.

[ladyinred]

I agree with you that there has been ugliness from both sides! I have resorted to lectures on some threads like some idiot, because I just couldn't believe our fellow freepers were acting as if we were the enemy, not DAVIS! Drives me crazy!!!!!

[Dec31,1999]

Clearly God could anticipate that there would be representative republican democracy. His word speaks to us.

How could God not anticipate something unless there were forces beyond his control?

[shellylet]

I'm curious if those that won't consider a vote to Arnold voted for President Bush considering that Laura Bush is pro-choice.

[Zack Nguyen]

It isn't fun what is going on in California, but each person has to vote their conscience and nobody else has a right to judge that vote.

Do you really mean that? So none of us have the right to complain, or reproach someone for voting for Bill Clinton despite all that he has done to degrade our government and culture?

[shellylet]

"So none of us have the right to complain, or reproach someone for voting for Bill Clinton despite all that he has done to degrade our government and culture?"

Do you really mean that?

[Zack Nguyen]

Second, Arnold is virtually certain to go to New York and front for the pro-aborts in the party, demanding that the party drop the pro-life plank at the Republican convention.

This is my biggest fear. Long-term, the big money folks and the moderate/liberals want to see the GOP jettison the strong pro-life principled conservatives. Arnold will be a huge plus in their argument that only moderates can win.