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1 posted on 10/05/2003 4:32:16 AM PDT by billorites
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even after the CIA fell down on the job before 9/11, it continues to take short-cuts in the War on Terror.

Yes! Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Novak had gotten her name from some relatively high-ranking type in the CIA itself.

2 posted on 10/05/2003 4:35:51 AM PDT by livius
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Looks like Mr. Wilson was a mole from the beginning has been found out to be a mole and now he seeks to divert attention away from being a mole.

Now the BIG question that must be answered WHO did Mr. Wilson meet with that sent him on his "sweet-tea" sipping trip?

Mr. Wilson says he does not know who sent him and would not recognize them if he met them on the street. Were these people in disguise or was he behind a two way mirror, and who did he report to with his findings that CIA used to discredit British INTEL?
4 posted on 10/05/2003 4:40:01 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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The CIA forgot that they are not policy makers. They are not elected official with the luxury of directing the course of the country. This story begins to touch on the issues that show that this is a story that will eventually take down Tenet and many others at the CIA. It probably will reach deep into the state department as well.
5 posted on 10/05/2003 4:43:55 AM PDT by Shanty Shaker
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I've got one more question: Who was the Beeb's CIA source for their yellowcake stories?
6 posted on 10/05/2003 4:50:47 AM PDT by mewzilla
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"But let’s not be naive and accept Joe Wilson’s tripe about the White House wanting to endanger his wife as payback for his criticisms."

If the White House was in the business of paying back all the people who've come out against their policies, they'd be too busy to conduct the war and reconstruction of Iraq, not to mention run the country.

9 posted on 10/05/2003 5:02:29 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: billorites
The Novak article was published in July. Why did it take so long to become such a big deal?
19 posted on 10/05/2003 9:32:38 AM PDT by csmusaret
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To: billorites
Both the State Department and CIA should be cleaned out.
20 posted on 10/05/2003 9:51:08 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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"In fact, columnist Maureen Dowd has revealed that Plame blabbed to Wilson about her CIA work around the time of their first kiss."

Sounds to me like the so-called glamourous Plame has been getting a long free ride at the Agency for her own careless comments. She outed herself and deserved to be fired long ago.

All I can smell in this entire episode is dirty, smear-tactic DemocRAT politics-as-usual. The DemocRATS, with much success, spent decades successfully dismantling the CIA's clout. And now we're supposed to believe the sanctimonious concerns coming from the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Alcee Hastings?

In the end, I believe that Wilson and his wife will look to milk this little drama to their own advantage: book deal turned into a movie produced by a sympatico Hollywood Lib. And let's not forget the lucrative lecture circuit, both here and abroad.
21 posted on 10/05/2003 11:09:55 AM PDT by MissouriForBush
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To: billorites
Time for a reality check, folks.

Irony No. 1: The Bush administration allegedly released the name of a CIA officer as political payback against the officer’s husband. Doesn’t the Bush administration need the help and high morale of the CIA right now to help prosecute the War on Terror? What would it have to gain by putting a CIA operative’s life in danger? One must assume the leaker knew he wasn’t endangering Valerie Plame’s life.

The Bush administration, or someone within in it, could have very well decided that it was worth the risk of alienating the CIA if it thought that Plame's exposure would prevent Ambassador Wilson from revealing anything else he knew about the yellowcake affair.

Secondly, any White House leaker didn't have to know that Valerie Plame was undercover in order to leak her name to Robert Novak. All he had to believe is that she was a simple 'analyst', and that exposing her would have no significant consequences. An assumption that turned out to be wrong.

Irony No. 2: Columnist Bob Novak was the journalist who printed Plame’s name. Novak opposed the war against Saddam Hussein because he, like Wilson, did not believe Saddam had weapons of mass destruction that were a threat to the United States. Was Novak used by the administration? Was he callous about Plame’s safety?

Obviously he was being callous about her safety, as he deliberately printed her name and work status despite being asked not to. As to whether or not he was being used by the White House, your guess is as good as mine.

Having worked for Novak for five years, I know him to be an exceptionally savvy journalist who doesn’t allow himself to be used as a pawn of any administration.

No, he prefers to allow himself to be used by FBI spies named Robert Hanssen. Not only that, but he's been used by Karl Rove in the past to plant false stories.

The fact that Wilson’s wife was a CIA officer is newsworthy, because it tells Americans that even after the massive intelligence failure of September 11, the CIA may be making decisions based on politics and personal ties instead of what’s best for the country.

So it's now okay to expose CIA operatives on the basis of newsworthiness?

The fact that Plame might have been involved in sending her husband to Africa in no way justifies deliberately exposing a CIA operative to possible harm. And if Novak had wanted to, he could have easily avoided mentioning Plame's name and status and still drawn attention to the fact that someone at the CIA with close personal ties to Wilson had been involved in sending him to Africa.

Why did the CIA not send a qualified investigator in Wilson’s place?

On what basis is the former ambassador to Niger NOT qualified to investigate the matter? And how exactly was the CIA supposed to have known about Wilson's supposed 'anti-Bush' attitude in the first place? Prior to his New York times article, it was hardly public knowledge.

She was apparently as casual as the administration about her “cover.”

Absolute nonsense.

The CIA did not say that printing Plame’s name would endanger her. Instead the official said it could make traveling overseas more difficult for her, Novak reported.

No, this CIA official merely asked that her name not be used at all, and then gave Novak some rather broad hints that her actual status was undercover.

Keeping in mind, we currently only have Novak's word for this. Earlier reports had him stating that administration officials came to him for the story, not the other way around.

Here’s where a journalist makes a decision about motives: Is it likely that the CIA asked that Plame’s name not be printed because her life or health would be jeopardized as an analyst?

Again, completely and utterly irrelevant. It doesn't matter motives Novak had in exposing Plame, the fact remains that HE DID.

Irony No. 3: Who are the fiercest defenders of CIA operatives and fiercest critics of “freedom of the press” now? U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., Harvard officials, and the editorial pages of the liberal Washington Post and New York Times.

"I'm a registered Republican and I'm sickened by this," he added. "I've spoken with four colleagues who have since left the agency who worked with her. And they are livid."

Larry Johnson, former CIA analyst.

"[Bush] needs to get this behind him" by taking a more active role. "He has that main responsibility to see this through and see it through quickly, and that would include, if I was president, sitting down with my vice president and asking what he knows about it,"

Senator Chuck Hagel, R-Nebraska.

The more likely motivation is administration concern that even after the CIA fell down on the job before 9/11, it continues to take short-cuts in the War on Terror.

So, the argument is that the administration was trying to get the CIA to clean up its act by deliberately exposing one of its operatives at a time when, by the editor's own admission, needed it badly in the war on terror?

This is pure garbage. And if you guys think that the CIA is simply going to take this one sitting down, you're delusional.

The CIA HUMINT depends on its field operative. Under no circumstances will it ever allow the deliberate leaking of the name and work status of one of its agents by some political official to go unchallenged?

Why? Because if it did, no potential agent would ever, in their right mind want to work for the CIA, knowing that some White House bureaucrat could expose them publically on nothing more than a whim.

23 posted on 10/05/2003 1:40:38 PM PDT by altayann
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This womans name sounds French!

That should be enough to indicate that the story is BS.

43 posted on 10/05/2003 7:39:23 PM PDT by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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Nothing about this passes a most basic smell test.

Wilson himself is part of the problem.
87 posted on 10/06/2003 8:45:01 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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Irony No. 1: The Bush administration allegedly released the name of a CIA officer as political payback against the officer’s husband. Doesn’t the Bush administration need the help and high morale of the CIA right now to help prosecute the War on Terror? What would it have to gain by putting a CIA operative’s life in danger? One must assume the leaker knew he wasn’t endangering Valerie Plame’s life.

Yes they do need the high morale and they have nothing to gain

However, I could name a few that would like to see discourse between the WH and the CIA

The organization that Mr. Wilson is involved with would be one of them .. Moveon.org

99 posted on 10/06/2003 9:10:35 AM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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Irony No. 3: Who are the fiercest defenders of CIA operatives and fiercest critics of “freedom of the press” now? U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., Harvard officials, and the editorial pages of the liberal Washington Post and New York Times.

So true. A few days ago i strolled to DU to see their take on this. One poster had an avatar of a the letters CIA but in the the font they use for CNN. Making somekind of implication that the CIA controls CNN.

That same poster had a comment going on and on about how Plame and the CIA were defending this country's security, and the Bush admin were undermining it! And directly below their comment was the graphic ridiculing the CIA.

I was think to myself "and my the only one who see's the irony of this?"

107 posted on 10/06/2003 10:19:24 AM PDT by chudogg
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