Immigrants Rally in City, Seeking Rights

The New York Times ^ | October 5, 2003 | STEVEN GREENHOUSE

[DoughtyOne]

What was that lesson of 09/11 again? The lesson was that it indeed takes an act of terrorism to get laws to change. Okay so far. Unfortunately those laws are always directed at Mr. and Mrs. law abiding citizen.

Oh sure they make great speaches about stopping terrorism, then write laws that get my wife strip searched at airports and terrorists allowed to enter the nation at will.

Who gets photographed in public places? 99.999% of these images are of citizens.

Who has a file on them inches thick at our national security agencies? Mr. and Mrs. Citizen are the ones. Terrorists still enter the nation with our national security agencies taking months before they say, "Whoops!"

Fourteen states allow illegals to get driver's licences. Whoops! Fourteen states allow those drivers licenses to anchor illegals to all sort of in-state and federal aid programs. Fourteen states provide a document which allows illegals to obtain a number of driver's licenses under different names each of which will allow them to board an aircraft.

Gotta love those lessons of 09/11, OKC, TWA-800, The 1993 WTC bombing. We take it in the shorts every time.

[texastoo]

If Eisonhower could do it, why can't Bush do the same thing?

[vikingcelt]

"The fact that these illegals were not arrest demonstrates the end of America's greatness."

Exactly!!! That's what I've been saying since way before this travesty of a so-called "Freedom Ride" began. This has been the most extreme slap in the face and insult to all Amercan citizens. The fact that this was even allowed to happen let alone no one being arrested tells me that the rule of law in America is dead and soon our nation will be dead and we can blame it all on the traitors who are supposed to be our leaders. Traitorous, treacherous, lying scum BASTARDS...each and every one of them...except for Tom Tancredo.

[Consort]

...what you just described is happening today in our American towns and cities. This is not a matter of if it will happen, this is happening.

You are right and you validated what I said, but many are not aware of the scope of the problem and are looking for simplistic solutions. Your description of what is happening amplifies what I said.

[vikingcelt]

"I still question the logic that because you were born here, from an illegal, you are a citizen. I don't think the constitution grants that power to illegals since the constitution applies to citizens."

I don't think it grants that power either but if a lie gets told over and over and over again, it becomes the truth...supposedly.

[Redwood71]

"Why the hell don't they march for their rights in Mexico City?"

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We can give then rights right here: "You have the right to remain silent, that is say nothing, you have the right to have counsel present during questioning,.............That's easy to understand, and it's all kinds of rights. Where were the cops during this rally? The illegals were lining up for deportation.

Red

[Consort]

If Eisonhower could do it, why can't Bush do the same thing?

He could do it. We just have to let him know how many casualties are acceptable in the resulting riots, lootings, burnings, killings, etc....the campus riots, civil disobedience, a whole '60s redux, just for starters. We have to let him know that we don't care about the images shown around the world of families being rounded up, loaded on trucks, etc, and hauled to the borders of Mexico and Canada. We just have to tell him that it's all OK. Of course, it may all happen peacefully.

[sarcasm]

Is this a picture of you?

[lady lawyer]

The civil rights movement of the 60's touched a cord because of slavery. The black population had been brought here against their will, under the worst circumstances.

A bunch of third world scofflaws sneaking into our country in such great numbers that they can assimilate and drag the general culture down have no claim on our conscience.

[El Conservador]

That's a legal principle called ius soli: If you are born in a certain country, you're a citizen of that country, regardless of your parents' nationality and immigration status.

There's a corresponding principle called ius sanguinis: If you are born from parents of a certain country, you're a citizen of that country, regardless of yor place of birth.

The United States applies ius soli for individuals born within the 50 states and outlying territories, and ius sanguinis for indivuduals born abroad of American parents.

There's some countries where both ius soli and sanguinis have to be met when born within the territory of such country; the only one that comes to the top of my head is the Czech Republic: to be a Czech citizen, the person must've been born within Czech territory of Czech parents.

In my country of birth, Colombia, ius soli applies, but not ius sanguinis: If a Colombian couple has a child in New York, for example, that child won't be a Colombian citizen unless his/her parents move back to Colombia with the child before his/her 18th birthday.

To change the fact that aggravates you, Congress could pass a law stating that ius soli will only apply for American citizens and legal permanent immigrants.

But in doing so, a child could be born of illegal immigrant parents from a country which doesn't recognize ius sanguinis, rendering that child stateless, which could be a bit of a problem.

I could explain this deeper, but this is as far as my knowledge allows me.

[virgil]

Mass immigration, legal or illegal will eventually make healthcare too expensive for most citizens. If they don't curb immigration it's going to get much worse and no gov't program is going to fix it.

[Consort]

No. It's a picture of your mother. See the resemblance?

[sarcasm]

No? You advocate the same policy - appeasement.

[Consort]

No I don't. I'm for shutting down the borders. It's not happening. I described the current situation as I see it. What do you disagree with in my scenarios?

[sarcasm]

Your policy is to legalize the illegal aliens - we tried it once before and got more illegal aliens than we started with. The solution is employer sanctions, including jail sentences for those who employ illegals, and deportation. Anything else is appeasement.

[texastoo]

Too expensive health care is happening real fast.

Maybe, this is the plan for universal health care. I don't know. If it is, we are all the losers as we have the best health care in the world now but not for much longer.

[Consort]

Your policy is to legalize the illegal aliens - we tried it once before and got more illegal aliens than we started with.

Illegals will be legalized and more illegals will come here and the cycle will continue until the borders are controlled. Not my policy but that's the way I see it. Your solutions will not work with open borders.

[sarcasm]

Where did I say anything about having open borders?

[Consort]

Where did I say anything about having open borders?

I said open borders and I described the current situation and where it might lead to. And I don't expect any mass deportations.