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Davis, Schwarzenegger will miss final debate
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | October 4, 2003 | Bill Ainsworth

Posted on 10/04/2003 3:30:43 PM PDT by Roscoe

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To: UnabashedConservative
Don't delude yourself that "party bosses" delivered the victory, should it occur, to Arnold. Arnold "won" the support of party bosses, he IS THE PARTY BOSS going forward, and he's carrying them, they're not pushing him.

McClintock is through as a GOP sponsored statewide candidate. He's a lone wolf, that's not going to get you elected to statewide office. He fell on his sword to satisfy you guys. I hope you enjoyed the spectacle. Which horse you gonna ride into the ground next election?

He's a good man. If he's out of his seat through redistricting, he'll land a six figure CFO job at HP, Cisco, Intel, Cargill or somewhere. The guy would be a stellar hire for any HealthCare, Utility or other regulated firm that needs his knowledge. He's a bright, dedicated guy. He'll land beautifully.

There was no rational reason for him to sink with the ship. None.

23 posted on 10/04/2003 5:38:30 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: fqued
hate to pop your bubble but Arnold isn't even on the top 400 fortune-wise.

also, arnold's business degree was from wisconsin superior via correspondence courses and his "advanced" degree was obtained by taking night classes at one of the Us(USC or UCLA as I recall) in SoCal.

Let's not try and paint a candidate as something he or she is not. Thanks.

He could easily retire and live a life of leisure very comfortably. Too bad the same couldn't be said for the GOP party country club elitists and said "leaders".
24 posted on 10/04/2003 5:42:13 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: LaraCroft
..I know Tom McC hasn't amassed a bloody fortune as a shrewd businessman...


That's how you judge someone for their qualifications for higher office? LOL .. My my... he probably never had a group orgy either so I guess he would have problems connecting to the hedonistic masses in Hollywood too. ;-)

25 posted on 10/04/2003 5:44:51 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Thank you.

We will be glad to have a fine businessman as governor come Wednesday.

No bubble burst, It makes little difference whether Arnold is worth a hundred mil or 800 mil. He was a very astute businessman, and will bring that knowledge to the job ahead.
26 posted on 10/04/2003 5:47:15 PM PDT by fqued (Arnold, in spite of a "vote for Tom McClintock being a vote for Pia Zadora.")
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To: fqued
Warren Buffett thanks you.
27 posted on 10/04/2003 5:49:48 PM PDT by Afronaut (Zombie voters For Liberals)
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To: NormsRevenge
Whats CA's main problem right now?
28 posted on 10/04/2003 5:52:38 PM PDT by LaraCroft (Ping a ding ding)
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To: Afronaut
"Warren Buffett thanks you."

cooool. can I have his autograph?
29 posted on 10/04/2003 5:53:16 PM PDT by fqued (Arnold, in spite of a "vote for Tom McClintock being a vote for Pia Zadora.")
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To: fqued
You got it. Yur initial comment is indicative how many have blown Arnold up as some savior via his business success. He may well be sworn in as Gub soon, but then the real fun begins.

Governance is not always an art that a$$toot(sic) businessmen can master. But all we can be is vigilant and on top of our leaders like white on rice to make sure they are not just fleecing us for their own agenda.

We'll see soon enough after arnie has folks go thru the books, etc. And how the budget process is handled. Yup, should be real interesting.

btw , how about this "debate", both camejo and cruz are kissing illegals heinies like crazy. LOL

Ya got to love these bastards, they just don't give up. And neither will Tom in serving the people and not himself to all the goodies.

30 posted on 10/04/2003 5:55:59 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: LaraCroft
CA's main problem. Its politically gerimandered legislature and commissions who answer to no one but tilt so far left they almost fall over, imo.

Arnie will not be able to do a damn thing about it on his shift or shifts, not has he presented anything other than offering "I vill go to da people". Duhhh!.
31 posted on 10/04/2003 5:59:04 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: fqued
Does or has Warren Buffett's Berkshire-Hathaway group held any ENRon stock the last few years as we got taken to the cleaners on the energy market? Just curious.
32 posted on 10/04/2003 6:00:52 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: UnabashedConservative
I have the same misgivings regarding Arnold but I look at things logically, and McClintock doesn't have a snowballs chance in Hades to win, even with Arnold out of the race.

I am voting against Davis and against Bustamante and voting for the person I think has the best chance of beating them.

It will at the least be a stalemate and I'll get 20% of what I would like.

I'm not going to pretend anyone is going to get me 100%... the people I admire have as much chance to get elected to high office as McClintock does.

Matter of fact, that might be my answer in 2004....Vote Ron Paul on principle. If Hillary is elected from W's siphoned votes, oh well... I voted my values.
33 posted on 10/04/2003 6:04:08 PM PDT by LaraCroft (Ping a ding ding)
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To: fqued
Schwarzenegger owns a piece of every movie he's done since Sudden Impact I belive. He get's a healthy chunk of foreign distribution, video purchases, cable and network syndication and the BIG MATZOH BALL .... DVD sales. Every one of his Terminator movies, Predator, Twins, Kindergarten Cop ... I think he owns a big chunk. Think of the sales of DVD presentations of the Terminator series ... Every video store in America has 5 copies of each, and tens of millions have been sold to the public. DVD redistribution restarts merchandise sales, action figures etc.

That's how you get into the 9 figure world of Net Worth. Everybody has T2, Predator and Terminator on DVD. Millions and millions of units.

Arnold's partnering with Warren Buffett is likely not a newly met relationship either. Arnold's got some money in play with the eyebrows outta control Nebraskan I'd guess

Too bad Arnold doesn't know economics though. LOL

34 posted on 10/04/2003 6:10:48 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Cicero
Now we'll have RINO Arnold being manipulated like a sock puppet by all the party pros, who would just love to do away with that bothersome pro-life plank and make more money for themselves.

Wake Up Call: Arnold Schwarzenegger is now the party boss of the California GOP.

Wake Up Call 2: For every one of you guys that leave the GOP because it no longer makes pure pro-life support the ultimate principle ... Two or three moderate ideology Californians will take your place.

Wake Up Call 3: You no longer have make or break leverage over GOP success or failure. You're going to have to fit in if you want a seat. If you're out, you don't have the numbers to win on your own, you don't have the numbers to blow up Moderate GOP candidates and hand Democrats your top offices to punish the GOP for impertinence.

Amateur Hour in California Republican politics is over on October 8. Some folks are interested in getting Republicans elected to office. I can see why California has been seized by the Democrats ... you dead enders would rather blow up the RINOs than remove a Socialist. Pure disease. You're the damn RINOs.

35 posted on 10/04/2003 6:31:43 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Roscoe
This is a Reality Politics 101 comment......It's amusing to see the hits on "party bosses" in this thread. There's always been party bosses and always will be. These "generals" hold their parties together and keep foot soldiers from straying off the party reservation. Otherwise, there would be no organized political parties at all. The rank and file would all go their separate ways and there would be chaos.

If political party participants display leadership and want to work hard enough, he/she can become a "party boss". When they achieve those positions, very often they become disliked just because they are the "bosses". Well, they didn't rise that high because they are Elsie Dinsmores. It's because they're tough and effective. The rank and file put them there in the first place.

However, if folks don't like the party bosses, they can replace them by running against them in regularly-held party caucuses and conventions.

Again, political parties would fall apart if there were no "bosses". They are a necessary evil and one hopes for leaders with integrity, effectiveness and political smarts. If they are corrupt or make too many wrong decisions, volunteers have to be found to run against them and boot them out.

However, most members of both national, state and local political parties (us) are afraid to buck their leaders or have reached accomodations with them. Or they don't have the time, money and connections to run. So, elected leaders become entrenched and then automatically become "party bosses".

We see how grassroots Republicans and DemoRATS alike deride their own particular Senate leadership (who are "party bosses") who can't keep mavericks like McCain, Jeffords, Zell Miller or Snow in line. So, we see situations where voters in each party want party bosses to crack the whip on these loose cannons, and yet they don't want to have any powerful "party bosses". Hmmmm.

The California Republican "party bosses" are doing what they're supposed to do (in their own minds) for a Republican win.....i.e., try to keep Republicans on one reservation to win an elective office. We can agree or disagree with their tactics. In this case many McClintock supporters disagree.

So, California conservatives must organize to get new party leaders in and get the current ones out if they're unhappy and want to change things. The opportunity exists if they want to pursue it. Just bemoaning things without doing anything about it will not change a thing.

Perhaps if McClintock loses, he will want to then organize an effective conservative resurgance movement in the liberal state. He would be an excellent leader, but he would need grassroots help.

"All politics is local".

Leni

36 posted on 10/04/2003 6:50:58 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: LaraCroft
you have misgivings about arnold yet you will vote for him. weird. whatever.

no need to wonder why our country is at such risk with that kind of reasoning,imo. ;-) LOL
37 posted on 10/04/2003 6:54:51 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: MinuteGal
It's amusing to see the hits on "party bosses" in this thread.

Yep. Those so-called "party bosses" brought little to Arnold. They were just trying to curry favor, hoping a few scraps might eventually fall from the table for them.

40 posted on 10/04/2003 7:16:31 PM PDT by Roscoe
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