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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Well, it's probably true that if Christians were better they would be more successful.

But the battle isn't being fought on equal ground. Pro-life organizations raise their money $5 and $10 at a time from ordinary people. Pro-aborts raise their money by the billions from abortion profits, government funding, major foundation grants, and other big-money sources.

Pro-lifers can only communicate through mailings and newsletters. Pro-abortionists control virtually all the media: newspapers, radio, TV. Even many "conservative" outlets, such as the New York Post, won't touch it. Even the WSJ editorial page is pro-abortion.

Pro-lifers control the voting booths, but normally they can only work with the major parties. The Democrats are viciously pro-abortion, and the Republicans are a mixed bag. Arnold Schwarzenneger is just the latest example. People now have the choice of voting for Bustamente, a pro-abort, or Arnold, a pro-abort. McClintock, who probably would have won a primary battle, has been painted into a corner. And it's predictable that if and when Arnold wins, he will go to the 2004 Republican Convention and urge the delegates to drop the pro-life plank. It happens again and again.

Pro aborts control congress and the courts. RICO laws are used against them. The so-called Freedom of Access to Clinics law discriminates against them. Judges bend the laws to persecute them.

Finally, the pro-aborts control the schools, the universities, and above all the tyrannical Supreme Court.

The real miracle is that, almost forty years after Roe v. Wade, the pro-life movement is still very much alive.
10 posted on 10/04/2003 12:18:05 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

The real miracle is that, almost forty years after Roe v. Wade, the pro-life movement is still very much alive with 40 something million aborted dead.

17 posted on 10/04/2003 12:43:47 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Cicero
Pro-aborts raise their money by the billions from abortion profits, government funding, major foundation grants, and other big-money sources.

This is true. I believe the pro-aborts have very little real grassroots in this country. Planned Parenthood reap huge windfalls amongst corporate and wealthy donors. They believe it to be politically correct to give to them, and in some cases I suspect the wealthy left wants to have fewer poor people of color around.

35 posted on 10/04/2003 4:32:51 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Cicero
And it's predictable that if and when Arnold wins, he will go to the 2004 Republican Convention and urge the delegates to drop the pro-life plank.

The national effects of Arnold's victory really worry me as well. The Republican moderate/left is always looking for an excuse to muzzle conservatives.

36 posted on 10/04/2003 4:34:11 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Cicero
I respectfully disagree wth the premise of the original piece, at least in part.

While I do not defend the use of IUDs and respect the beliefs of those who disagree with the pill (my personal opinion is that if the chances are great that fertilization has not occured that panicing over the potential instance of the last line of defense is perhaps too much presumption but I would not argue the point) I believe the "sin in the camp" lies in another, more obvious, place.

The church has been seduced, along with the world, by filthy lucre.

The simple truth is that we could have stopped abortion by electing pro-life politicians. We have the votes, if everyone who believed pro-life voted that way, to dominate the body politic, but we don't because too many "Christian" voters have regulated the issue of life to a subordinate position behind which candidate will put or leave the most money in their pocket (whether it be by handouts, tax cuts, more school money, or whatever).

They have sold the right to vote pro-life and so pro-choice politicians keep winning in sufficiant number to styme pro-life efforts. It's all well and good to wring your hands about the kind of leadership we have, but it means spit if you sell your vote for the nexr empty promise that emerges from the lips of that fellow whom you KNOW will not act to save lives.

Most prominent current example:

Tons of California Republicans will vote for the pro-death candidate whom they think can solve the budget problem. They may say "McClintock can't change the abortion issue by himself" which is very true - so who elected all those blood-money legislators?

Want to see things REALY change in America? Wait for the next Great Depression. Until people have their piles of gold stripped from them they will not be able to focus on anything else.
41 posted on 10/04/2003 5:01:35 PM PDT by WillRain
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To: Cicero
True, but it subsists on justice, not much else. Look at the abolitionist movement. It's ultimate sucess came from nowhere. And abolitionists were seen as just as crazy as pro-lifers. (if not more so)
42 posted on 10/04/2003 5:03:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Cicero
But the battle isn't being fought on equal ground. Pro-life organizations raise their money $5 and $10 at a time from ordinary people. Pro-aborts raise their money by the billions from abortion profits, government funding, major foundation grants, and other big-money sources.

I'm on the board of trustees of our local Right to Life organization. We meet on our own time, try to scrape up money from dues, garage sales, a thrift shop, etc., and every meeting we worry about whether we can operate for another month. By contrast, our opponents have paid jobs opposing us, at which they put in 40 hours a week. They don't have to oppose us on their own time, the do it during working hours. I know, life isn't fair, but it does irk me.

44 posted on 10/04/2003 5:31:43 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney
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