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Pope Tells Anglican Homosexual Clergy Blocks Unity
Reuters ^ | October 4, 2003 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 10/04/2003 8:13:26 AM PDT by schaketo

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - A visibly tired Pope John Paul told the new Archbishop of Canterbury on Saturday that allowing openly homosexual clergy in the Anglican communion was a "serious difficulty" on the path to Christian unity.

The 83-year-old pope had difficulty reading his speech in English at the first visit by Rowan Williams to the Vatican.

Williams, who was appointed last year, and the pope met privately for only 10 minutes ahead of the public part of the visit, which was open to a few reporters.

The private part was apparently kept short because of the pope's health. According to a papal aide, the pope started the meeting by asking Williams about "the situation in your church."

The pontiff, who suffers from Parkinson's disease, was determined to read his two-page speech, although many of his words were difficult to understand.

"As we give thanks for the progress that has already been made we must also recognize that new and serious difficulties have arisen on the path to unity," the pope said, his body visibly shaking as he sat in his private study.

This was a clear reference to the crisis currently rocking the Anglican communion after the Episcopalian Church in the United States appointed an openly gay bishop in New Hampshire.

"These difficulties are not all of a disciplinary nature, some extend to matters of faith and morals," the pope said.

Williams, wearing the traditional Anglican purple cassock and a cross given to him by the pope when he was appointed to Canterbury last year, was less direct.

In his speech, the bearded Williams spoke only of the "possibilities and challenges of our way forward together."

WOMEN PRIESTS

Both men said they were committed to unity between the churches that split in 1534.

"We share a desire to deepen our communion," the pope said.

As the Anglican delegation, which include Williams' wife Jane, left the study, they each bent to kiss the pope's ring.

Despite the cordial atmosphere, Williams' visit to the Vatican has been overshadowed by the Anglican crisis over whether or not to ordain openly homosexual men.

The crisis was sparked this year by the appointment by U.S. Anglicans of Gene Robinson as their first openly gay bishop.

Traditionalists, particularly the Africans, have denounced the move. They threaten to break with churches that bless same-sex unions and are considering ways to redraw the Anglican world map to escape liberal provinces.

Williams, a liberal who personally supports gays in the church, hosts a summit of Anglican leaders this month to try to avert a crisis in the 70 million-member world communion.

The two churches already are deeply split over the ordination of women priests, which Anglicans allow but the Vatican says Catholicism will never permit.

The homosexual issue was also on the agenda when Williams met on Friday with Cardinal Walter Kasper, head of the Vatican department for Christian Unity.

"I expressed my concerns over this problem, because it is not only an internal problem of the Anglican Communion, but it also touches on our relations," Kasper told Vatican Radio.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: anglican; catholic; episcopalian; fallout; gay; homosexualagenda; homosexualbishop; johnpaulii; pope; priest; prisoners; rowanwilliams; schism; unity

1 posted on 10/04/2003 8:13:27 AM PDT by schaketo
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To: schaketo
Just what is "The Path" to Christian unity?
No thanks I would rather follow Jesus
2 posted on 10/04/2003 8:29:25 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: All
Lighten Up, Francis!
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3 posted on 10/04/2003 8:31:05 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: joesnuffy
Both the Anglican and Catholic faith traditions follow Jesus -- the former however accepts gay clergy which has never been part of the apostolic tradition ...
4 posted on 10/04/2003 8:32:58 AM PDT by contramundi
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To: trad_anglican; ahadams2
ping
5 posted on 10/04/2003 8:39:54 AM PDT by Fifth Business
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To: schaketo
SPOTREP - ECUSA
6 posted on 10/04/2003 9:06:16 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: contramundi
Both the Anglican and Catholic faith traditions follow Jesus -- the former however accepts gay clergy which has never been part of the apostolic tradition ...

Respectfully, your statement is incorrect. There are elements of the Anglican church worldwide that accept declared, openly-practicing gay clergy -- but they are in the distinct minority and are about to be put in their place. The Anglican faith tradition does not accept declared, openly-practicing gay clergy.

One could equally say that the Roman Catholic faith tradition accepts pedophile clergy, but you and I know that is not the case.

7 posted on 10/04/2003 9:26:31 AM PDT by Monk Dimittis
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To: contramundi
hmm, well this isn't supposed to be 'everybody carp at contramundi' day (though I have to say that I think 'contramundi carp' as a concept describes a great deal of the modern praise music I've heard lately...no wait did I spell that right?)

er, well anyway there are in excess of 17 million Anglicans in Nigeria who consider homosexuality an abomination. That means in Nigeria alone there are more Anglicans than in all of the places that practice the abomination of allowing homosexual clergy, put together...and God Willing most of those who recognize homosexual clergy will soon be out of the Anglican Communion entirely, starting with ecusa and the anglican church of canada.
8 posted on 10/04/2003 10:36:15 AM PDT by ahadams2 (Anglicanism: the next reformation is beginning NOW)
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To: scripter
ping
9 posted on 10/04/2003 10:40:51 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: schaketo
This is what ecumenical talks should be lilke.
10 posted on 10/04/2003 11:33:11 AM PDT by Conservative til I die (Scratch an evangelical long enough and you'll uncover a heretic or even a blasphemer.)
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To: joesnuffy
Jesus prayed that all would be one. But what did He know, right?
11 posted on 10/04/2003 11:33:42 AM PDT by Conservative til I die (Scratch an evangelical long enough and you'll uncover a heretic or even a blasphemer.)
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To: Monk Dimittis
It remains to be seen whether the Anglicans will rout out the gays And your pedophile comment was quite disggraceful to say the least. The situations are apples and oranges. An official gathering of Anglicans officially voted to promote a moral reprobate to the office of bishop. The pedophilia scandals are an abuse and everyone knows it, not an official doctrine.

I seriously question the motives behind what you said.
12 posted on 10/04/2003 11:36:40 AM PDT by Conservative til I die (Scratch an evangelical long enough and you'll uncover a heretic or even a blasphemer.)
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To: schaketo
blocks unity????? i thought thats what condoms did....
13 posted on 10/04/2003 11:54:40 AM PDT by fishbabe
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To: joesnuffy
Just what is "The Path" to Christian unity? No thanks I would rather follow Jesus

Did you ever read Jesus" comments at the Last Supper in John's Gospel: "That you may be one even as I and the Father are One"??

Following Jesus just may well be searching for "Christian Unity."
14 posted on 10/04/2003 11:58:22 AM PDT by fqued (Arnold, in spite of a "vote for Tom McClintock being a vote for Pia Zadora.")
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To: EdReform; *Homosexual Agenda; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; pram; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; ...
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15 posted on 10/04/2003 12:39:46 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: schaketo
Williams, a liberal who personally supports gays in the church, hosts a summit of Anglican leaders this month to try to avert a crisis in the 70 million-member world communion.

I wonder if he also personally supports those sexually immoral, adulterers and male prostitutes as well. As then he would personally support all those listed here who will not "inherit the kingdom of God."

16 posted on 10/04/2003 12:46:09 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: joesnuffy
You appear to suffer from premature enunciation.
17 posted on 10/04/2003 1:09:23 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: scripter; EdReform
FYI, on Datalounge's gossip forum (as you know I love gossip) there has been daily threads saying they want the pope to die, isn't it great, hahaha.

It's just appalling. And it disgusts me.

I'm going to link their search engine. Put in the word pope and see what they are doing:

http://www.datalounge.com/datalounge/forums/index.html?searchform=1&forum=13
18 posted on 10/04/2003 1:48:00 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: schaketo
As the Anglican delegation, which include Williams' wife Jane, left the study, they each bent to kiss the pope's ring.

I would have thought that fact would be the headline item. But after checking around I find that at least a previous Archbishop of Canterbury, Michael Ramsey, set the precedent in 1966. Archbishops have been visiting Popes since 1960, beginning with Dr. Geoffrey Fisher's visit to Pope John XXIII. The last visit before that had been in 1397.

19 posted on 10/04/2003 4:56:19 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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