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Botulinum 'is WMD' [State Department: Lethal bio-toxin 'kills people']
World Net Daily ^ | Oct. 4, 2003

Posted on 10/04/2003 7:23:33 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

 WND
OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOM
Botulinum 'is WMD'
State Department spokesman: Lethal bio-toxin 'kills people, it kills people in large quantities'

Posted: October 4, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

The vial of botulinum bacteria discovered in Iraq by U.S. arms inspectors – which experts call the most poisonous substance known to man – is "a weapon of mass destruction," the State Department's top spokesman announced yesterday.

"Botulinum kills people, it kills people in large quantities. Botulinum is a weapon of mass destruction, yes," said State spokesman Richard Boucher," according to an Agence France-Presse report. "Anything that destroys on a massive scale is a weapon of mass destruction."

The botulinum had been stored in a vial discovered in an Iraqi scientist's refrigerator, where it had been stored for safe keeping since 1993.

Earlier in the day, Secretary of State Colin Powell told the press the report on ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's weapons program, just released by the government's lead weapons inspector David Kay, justified the decision to invade Iraq.

Kay's "interim assessment" described discoveries of illicit arms programs, as well as evidence Saddam was intent on developing weapons of mass destruction, including chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, despite United Nations prohibitions.

When reporters grilled Powell as to whether he thought weapons inspectors' efforts would ever yield "weapons of mass destruction," Powell replied rhetorically: "Do you think vials of botulinum should constitute a weapon of mass destruction?"

And President George Bush, before boarding Marine One, claimed the Kay report vindicated the Iraqi war effort:

"The report states that Saddam Hussein's regime had a clandestine network of biological laboratories, a live strain of deadly agent botulinum, sophisticated concealment efforts and advanced design work on prohibited longer-range missiles," said Bush. "These findings already make clear that Saddam Hussein actively deceived the international community, that Saddam Hussein, was in clear violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 and that Saddam Hussein was a danger to the world."

The president added that Kaye's "Iraq Survey Group" discovered "dozens of WMD (weapons of mass destruction)-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in 2002." He added that Kay and his team found "systematic destruction of evidence of these illegal activities."

The Bush administration had relied on U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441 as a legal basis for the March invasion. The resolution threatened the Saddam Hussein regime with "serious consequences" for failing to demonstrate that it had ended its WMD program.

Weeks before the invasion, on Feb. 5, Powell laid out the case against Saddam before the Security Council and the world, during which he referred to Iraq's biological weapons programs and its capability of producing deadly botulinum and other toxins.

"There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more," Powell said, pointing out Iraq had admitted to producing botulinum. "And he has the ability to dispense these lethal poisons and diseases in ways that can cause massive death and destruction."

Noting that the vial of live botulinum bacteria had been hidden in an Iraqi scientist's home refrigerator, Kay, testifying before Congress, said the discovery "illustrates the point ... about the difficulty of locating small stocks of material that can be used to covertly surge production of deadly weapons."

According to Agence France-Presse, the Center for Civilian Bio-defense Strategies at Johns Hopkins University says: "Botulinum toxin is the single most poisonous substance known" and "poses a major bioweapons threat because of its extreme potency and lethality, its ease of production, transport and misuse, and the potential need for prolonged intensive care in affected persons."

Kay, a veteran former U.N. weapons inspector, says the investigation he is leading involves over 1,200 staffers, and is likely to take another six to nine months. He asked reporters for "time and patience in the answers you really deserve," noting that the regime of Saddam Hussein had "engaged in extensive deceptions."

In fact, said Kay, his team has found signs that arms may have been moved out of the country before Saddam's fall.

When reporters asked Kay at a telephone press conference whether chemical or biological weapons had been moved out of Iraq before the March invasion, reports AFP, the lead inspector replied: "We have multiple reports from Iraqis of substances being moved across borders." He added: "We've got information indicating movement to Iran, Syria, Jordan, essentially all states that border the north with Iraq, that's not surprising those routes have been long used. At least with regard to Syria and Jordan, certainly senior Iraqi officials, both military and scientific, moved to both countries pre-conflict and during the conflict, and some immediately after the conflict."

Earlier this week, biological and chemical weapons turned up in Kuwait, according to the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Siyassah.

The pro-government daily reported Kuwaiti security forces foiled an attempted smuggling of $60 million worth of chemical weapons and biological warheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country. Citing an unnamed security source, Al-Siyassah said the smugglers had been under surveillance since they arrived in Kuwait and were arrested "in due time."





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KEYWORDS: 200310; albadran; bioweapons; botulinum; davidkay; europe; europeancountry; iraq; kuwaitwmd; nawwaf; nourialbadran; poison; sheiknawwaf; toxin; wmd
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1 posted on 10/04/2003 7:23:34 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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2 posted on 10/04/2003 7:25:32 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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According to Agence France-Presse, the Center for Civilian Bio-defense Strategies at Johns Hopkins University says: "Botulinum toxin is the single most poisonous substance known" and "poses a major bioweapons threat because of its extreme potency and lethality, its ease of production, transport and misuse, and the potential need for prolonged intensive care in affected persons."

From a French paper, no less.

Our conservative pundits need to read the Kay report and go on offense.

8 STATEMENT BY DAVID KAY ON THE INTERIM PROGRESS REPORT

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3 posted on 10/04/2003 7:28:25 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (THE PRESIDENT: Bernie, you're a good man. MR. KERICK: Thank you, Mr. President. WH, 10/3)
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To: Support Free Republic
Now we'll see Dims on TV doing cereal commercials where they sprinkle their "daily dose of botulinum" on the cereal and gove a big lip-smackung "Mmmmmm" to try to prove it's not WMD...

Any kind of luck and one will screw up and use the real stuff...

4 posted on 10/04/2003 7:30:14 AM PDT by trebb
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
And when the strain of botulinum turns out to be similar or identical to one the U.S. military toyed with years ago, 90% of the world will declare "it was planted".

Here's the only WMD that will convince the world -- Sadaam turning himself into Polish peacekeepers, asking for help in removing his suicide belt ... full of nuclear isotopes and bio-toxins.
5 posted on 10/04/2003 7:31:00 AM PDT by AngrySpud (Behold, I am The Anti-Crust (Anti-Hillary))
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To: AngrySpud
Here's the only WMD that will convince the world -- Sadaam turning himself into Polish peacekeepers, asking for help in removing his suicide belt ... full of nuclear isotopes and bio-toxins

In a world where "The Flat-Earth Society" can exist, where people deny the holocaust happened, where people believe Bush ordered the 9/11 attacks...in that world, nothing will convince the world. We'd be supremely lucky to get 50%.

6 posted on 10/04/2003 7:52:44 AM PDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Botulinum toxin is the most potent toxin known to man. The lethal dose is fifty micrograms. One soup can full of pure Botox, properly dispersed, can kill six million people.

The same amount of plutonium could not cause near that number of casualties.

Do you think that qualifies as a weapon of mass destruction?
7 posted on 10/04/2003 7:55:17 AM PDT by Toskrin
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
8 posted on 10/04/2003 7:56:54 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Angelus Errare
WMD Ping
9 posted on 10/04/2003 7:59:47 AM PDT by Green Knight (Looking forward to seeing Jeb stepping over Hillary's rotting political corpse in 2008.)
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To: Toskrin
According to a couple of books I've read, the Germans during World War II actively studied the use of the botulinum toxin to be spread over England. The results would have been horrible: imagine 1-2 kilograms dispersed aerosol-style over London--the death rate would have been in at least in the six-figure range.
10 posted on 10/04/2003 8:09:26 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Hey, maybe the guy was just planning to open a bo-tox clinic after Saddam finally fell.
11 posted on 10/04/2003 8:11:07 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
You are too funny--do you think that is where Nancy Pelosi gets her botox injections. Ha, no wonder she seemed so upset about the Kay report--she was outed.
12 posted on 10/04/2003 8:17:38 AM PDT by olliemb (Pray---Fast---Trust in God and GWB will win in 2004)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
IN RELATED NEWS:

Kuwait foils smuggling of chemicals, bio warheads from Iraq

Associated Press -- Kuwait City -- October 2, 2003 (AP) -- Kuwaiti security authorities have foiled an attempt to smuggle $60 million worth of chemical weapons and biological warheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country, a Kuwaiti newspaper said on Wednesday. The pro-Government Al-Siyassah, quoting an unnamed security source, said the suspects had been watched by security since they arrived in Kuwait and were arrested "in due time." It did not say when or how the smugglers entered Kuwait or when they were arrested. The paper said the smugglers might have had accomplices inside Kuwait. It said Interior Minister Sheik Nawwaf Al Ahmed Al Sabah would hand over the smuggled weapons to an FBI agent at a news conference, but did not say when. Government officials could not be immediately reached for comment. Iraqi Interior Minister Nouri Al-Badran met on Tuesday with Sheik Nawwaf and discussed cooperation between the two countries in security matters. His visit is the first by an Iraqi interior minister to Kuwait since 1990. Copyright 2003. Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. ---http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_399454,00050004.htm--
13 posted on 10/04/2003 8:33:23 AM PDT by sdk7x7 ("This time I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end.")
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Sorry people but this thread among others of it's ilk cannot be bumped enough.


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14 posted on 10/04/2003 8:40:31 AM PDT by Broadside Joe
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To: Broadside Joe
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15 posted on 10/04/2003 8:53:57 AM PDT by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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To: Broadside Joe
There is no doubt that Saddam wanted WMDs and used them against the Kurds. The question for which the conservatives aren't asking, was Saddam an immediate threat to the US. Did Saddam have the weapons and the means to deliver them at the begining of Gulf War the rerun. When you imploy a doctrine of preemption, you must provide convincing evidence that your attack would prempt an attack by an ememy, for example the photos provided during the Cuban Missle Crisis which clearly showed offensive missles on the island. Even as blind as conservatives are, they must volunteer that Saddam wasn't planning an attack at the start of the war. One vial of botulinum toxin does rise to level of immediate threat and might I remind you it took months in which to find it. Saddam deserved what he got, and I don't cry for his passing, but please stop scrambling for justification. You won't find because this war wasn't necessary, and it was ill timed. Conservatives have trapped us in quakmire and we are in a maze that we can't get out of.
16 posted on 10/04/2003 9:01:01 AM PDT by harryK
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To: harryK
Wasn't Clinton's Sec OF def. running around sunday morning talk shows with a 5 lb sack of sugar showing the amount of anthrax it would take to wipe out a major city?

Then they bombed. Did they have a real picture of weaponized anthrax?

After 9-11,when you find the smoking gun it's too late.

And as to.."One vial of botulinum toxin does rise to level of immediate threat and might -->I remind you it took months in which to find it.<---" you just answered your own question. How long does it take to make an amount large enough to kill thousands? A year? A mounth? a few weeks? Do you really want to wait and see?
17 posted on 10/04/2003 9:19:51 AM PDT by Broadside Joe
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To: sdk7x7
Kuwait foils smuggling of chemicals, bio warheads from Iraq....but,,

NOOoooooo, AHH-NOLD GROPED WIMMIN!

18 posted on 10/04/2003 9:23:37 AM PDT by JOE6PAK ("Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils."-Hector Berlioz)
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Saddam knew that his next-door enemy, Iran, was developing/acquiring nukes, and you can bet that he was doing the same thing.
19 posted on 10/04/2003 9:29:04 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Shucks! Someone did the bo-tox jokes already.
20 posted on 10/04/2003 9:32:07 AM PDT by sully777 (Pragmatic quixotic not catastrophic neurotic.)
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