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Trading Up. The conservative case for Arnold Schwarzenegger.
NRO ^ | October 03, 2003, 11:21 a.m. | Stephen Moore

Posted on 10/03/2003 10:42:34 AM PDT by .cnI redruM

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Yep, it's time to make Ahnuld Gov. Then McClintock can run against Biohazard Boxer for the US Senate.
1 posted on 10/03/2003 10:42:35 AM PDT by .cnI redruM
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2 posted on 10/03/2003 10:44:31 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: .cnI redruM
Can free-market conservatives trust the Terminator to do the right things to fix the California economy?

Given his leftist green platform, no.

His victory actually would harm the conservative cause a lot.

3 posted on 10/03/2003 10:47:09 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: .cnI redruM
Christie Todd Whitman ran on tax cuts and turned around and raised taxes by hundreds of millions of dollars. Bill Clinton ran as a new, more conservative Democrat and he governed as the left-winger he is.

What Arnold campaigns on is irrelevant. What he does is all that matters. And, if he gets in an listens to the Kennedys and Warren Buffett, he'll be a disaster.

4 posted on 10/03/2003 10:54:03 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: .cnI redruM
The willing self-corruption of the CA GOP is fascinating, if sad to watch. Every Republican (indeed, nearly every Californian) knows that McClintock is the only one with a plausible solution to California's crisis, even the ones who plan to vote for someone else.
5 posted on 10/03/2003 10:56:27 AM PDT by thoughtomator (tpaine says, "Don't post to me anymore." <- guess he lost that argument. Don't kill babies, people!!)
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To: .cnI redruM
But, alas, Tom's chances of winning the race, notwithstanding his winning message, are slim.

Another Tom can't win, Arnold sycophant.

I respect Stephen Moore for his economic beliefs. On this political issue, he's deadwrong!

6 posted on 10/03/2003 11:15:26 AM PDT by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: .cnI redruM
This isn't much more than a story of "conservative incrementalism" and "Tom can't win." It just doesn't square with history.

In Massachusetts, New Jersey, and in California, "moderate" Republican governments royally screwed conservatives and led to Democratic successions.
7 posted on 10/03/2003 11:15:29 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Reagan Man
How much would you be willing to wager today that McClintock is going to win?
8 posted on 10/03/2003 11:25:17 AM PDT by Monti Cello
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To: .cnI redruM

I will termynate the mecha...BustaMEChA and drive his clone master Grey "Alien" Davis from the lands of Callyfornia.
9 posted on 10/03/2003 11:27:46 AM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: tallhappy
Here's a reasoned article from National Review giving Arnold credit for his conservative views, and you guys are still pounding the "He's a leftist liberal" drum. You guys are starting to remind me of Democrats who swear that Al Gore actually won the 2000 presidential election.
10 posted on 10/03/2003 11:35:10 AM PDT by My2Cents (Well...there you go again.)
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To: Monti Cello
I've never said once, that McClintock was going to win. So your challenge is meaningless.

I take exception to Stephen Moore's political positioning on this overall issue and his reluctant support for Arnie the liberal. Conservative Republican Tom McClintock is the best man and the best candidate for the job. Not withstanding Arnie's pop cult icon and Hollywood superstar status. When Arnie received 23% in that first poll released after he announced, it was obvious people didn't care about the issues of the recall campaign. Many Californian Republicans reluctantly jumped on the Arnie bandwagon. They also said, "but Tom can't win". From the beginning, that's been a red herring, based on very weak political reasoning.

As the last Gallup poll clearly indicated, without Arnie in the race, McClintock would beat Bustamonte and by a significant margin of something like, 54% to 38%.

11 posted on 10/03/2003 11:44:45 AM PDT by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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12 posted on 10/03/2003 11:46:09 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: My2Cents
Here's a reasoned article from National Review giving Arnold credit for his conservative views

Point that part out.

And, I've given him credit where credit is due.

13 posted on 10/03/2003 11:51:07 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: Monti Cello
Odds, man, give odds if you want an answer.
14 posted on 10/03/2003 11:51:36 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: Reagan Man
without Arnie in the race, McClintock would beat Bustamonte

In reality, Arnie is in the race.

I'm not trying to hector you here, but I am a Californian who has been on the Arnie-McClintock fence, and I have just about decided to vote for Arnie because with the current field, I have concluded that McClintock can't win.

I do like McClintock's policies, but after voting for Republican standard-bearer losers like Dan Lundgren, Matt Fong, and Bill Simon, I am ready to change strategy.

If you can paint me a realistic scenario where Arnie drops out by next Tuesday, or where McClintock can defeat Arnie, please lay it out...right now Arnie gets my vote.

15 posted on 10/03/2003 11:56:42 AM PDT by Monti Cello
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>>>If you can paint me a realistic scenario where Arnie drops out by next Tuesday, or where McClintock can defeat Arnie, please lay it out...

You're not paying attention.

I will repeat, for your edification.

I clearly stated:
"I've never said once, that McClintock was going to win."

There was a time, a scenario did exist, under which McClintock could have won the recall race and I touched on it in my response to you. But again, you're not paying attention. If you want me to better connect the dots for you, fine. I will, one last time.

"... Arnie's pop cult icon and Hollywood superstar status. When Arnie received 23% in that first poll released after he announced, it was obvious people didn't care about the issues of the recall campaign. Many Californian Republicans reluctantly jumped on the Arnie bandwagon. They also said, "but Tom can't win". From the beginning, that's been a red herring, based on very weak political reasoning."

In other words, voters first needed to be logical and rational in their thinking. It didn't look like a serious effort to me, that so many people were willing to jump on the Arnold bandwagon, without first analyzing and evaluating the issues. If people had taken that time and were serious about the politics of Arnie, they would be standing behind Tom McClintock today and not supporting the liberal candidate in this case, Arnold Schwarzenegger.

I hope that helps to clear up your confusion.

16 posted on 10/03/2003 12:17:12 PM PDT by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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>> Christie Todd Whitman ran on tax cuts and turned around and raised taxes by hundreds of millions of dollars. <<

Thank GOODNESS all those pro-abortion Republicans are "fiscal conservatives"

1998: RINO candidate George H. Ryan said Sunday "Underlying my entire campaign is this promise to taxpayers: 'I will NOT raise taxes'. To do so during times of distress is bad enough, to do so during times of prospirity is unconciseable." Later, he admitted he would not absolutely rule out taxes for any reason, but said he saw no reason why taxes would need to be raised.

1999: RINO Governor George H. Ryan breaks 'no new taxes' pledege by proposing a $12 billion public works program that would be funded by doubling the state's vehicle registration taxes to $96 and increasing taxes on alcohol. Ryan's entire program, called Illinois FIRST, a Fund for Infrastructure, Roads, Schools & Transit, includes a state commitment of $6.3 billion. He bristled at the suggestion that he was reneging on his campaign. "I obviously changed my mind" said Ryan

17 posted on 10/03/2003 12:41:56 PM PDT by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term...without parole.)
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To: Reagan Man
Don't you think that California as well as the rest of the country is sick and tired of entrnched politicians from both sides of the aisle? Time and time again "the people" speak but are never heard. The people are promised but neither side ever delivers. I think your assesment on this is way off. The people have heard from Arnold and they like what they hear. The bonus is that it is not coming from a career politician be it McClintock or any other.
18 posted on 10/03/2003 1:01:40 PM PDT by AbsoluteJustice (Kiss me I'm an INFIDEL!!!!)
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To: Reagan Man
You cited a statement made by Moore today in the present tense:

But, alas, Tom's chances of winning the race, notwithstanding his winning message, are slim.

Then you went on to say, On this political issue, he's deadwrong! You also used the present tense.

I found the Moore citation completely reasonable and correct, and I was interested in whether you really thought it was 'deadwrong', and why.

Then you unexpectedly changed the subject to the condition of the race many weeks ago, and to a hypothetical race with Arnie not included. None of this has any relevance to the Moore statement, your refutation, nor to any portion of the article itself.

There's no reason to get accusatory and insulting with a Freeper for responding to your posted words and not your unstated and unrelated thoughts.

The fact that you, as an apparently avid McClintock supporter, repeatedly and boldly disavow any optimism for his chances only reinforces my initial perception that Moore is correct, and that your refutation is wrong. On that I have very little 'confusion'.

Hasta la vista.

19 posted on 10/03/2003 1:30:15 PM PDT by Monti Cello
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I think Californian's and particularly, Republicans in California have allowed themselves to be hoodwinked into supporting Arnold and they're enjoying every minute of it too. However, when they finally wake up, it will be to late to change this bad decision, based on poor judgment. This idea that "Tom can't win", has been a red herring from the get go and people fell for it, hook, line and sinker. McClintock isn't a yes man for the GOP establishment. He's an honest, straight talking and gutsy conservative Republican, who only has the best interests of California on his agenda. That's what I think.
20 posted on 10/03/2003 1:39:56 PM PDT by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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