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Kay finds Botulinum at home of a known biological weapons scientist!
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Posted on 10/02/2003 4:55:17 PM PDT by Republican Red

On biological weapons, a single vial of a strain of botulinum, a poison that can be used as a weapon, located at the home of a known biological weapons scientist

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KEYWORDS: bioterror; bioterrorism; biowarfare; botulism; davidkay; iraqwar; scientist; scientists; stoptheexcerpts; waroniraq
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Is this not the smoking gun we've been looking for?

Botulinum fact sheet:

http://www.hopkins-biodefense.org/pages/agents/agentbotox.html Botulinum Toxin Fact Sheet Info

Botulinum toxin poses a major bioweapons threat because of its extreme potency and lethality; its ease of production, transport and misuse; and the potential need for prolonged intensive care in affected persons. Botulinum toxin is the single most poisonous substance known.

A number of states named by the U.S. State Department as "state sponsors of terrorism" have developed or are developing botulinum toxin as a biological weapon. Aum Shinrikyo tried but failed to use botulinum toxin as a biological weapon.

Botulinum toxin is derived from the genus of anaerobic bacteria named Clostridia. Seven antigenic types of botulinum toxin exist, designated from A through G. They can be identified based on antibody cross reactivity studies - i.e., anti-A toxin antibodies do not neutralize the B through G toxins.

Naturally occurring botulism is the disease that results from the absorption of botulinum toxin into the circulation from a mucosal surface (gut, lung) or a wound. It does not penetrate intact skin. The toxin irreversibly binds to peripheral cholinergic synapses, preventing the release of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine from the terminal end of motor neurons. This leads to muscle paralysis, and in severe cases, can lead to a need for mechanical respiration.

The incubation period for food-borne botulism can be from 2 hours to 8 days after ingestion, depending on the dose of the bacteria or the toxin. The average incubation period is 12-72 hours after ingestion. Patients with botulism typically present with difficulty speaking, seeing and/or swallowing. Prominent neurologic findings in all forms of botulism include ptsosis, diplopia, blurred vision, dysarthria and dysphagia. Patients typically are afebrile and do not have an altered level of consciousness. Patients may initially present with gastrointestinal distress, nausea, and vomiting preceding neurological symptoms. Symptoms are similar for all toxin types, but the severity of illness can vary widely, in part depending on the amount of toxin absorbed. Recovery from paralysis can take from weeks to months and requires the growth of new motor nerve endings. In the event botulism is suspected, the hospital epidemiologist and local and state health departments should be contacted immediately.

Natural cases of botulism are rare and typically result from food contamination. Many types of food have been associated in outbreaks in the past, with the common factor being that implicated food items were not heated or were incompletely heated. Heat > 85oC inactivates the toxin. The largest botulism outbreak in the U.S. in the past century occurred in 1977, when 59 people became ill from poorly preserved jalapeño peppers.

No cases of waterborne botulism have ever been reported. This is likely due to the large amount of toxin needed, and the fact that the toxin is easily neutralized by common water treatment techniques.

A deliberate aerosol or food-borne release of botulinum toxin could be detected by several features including: a large number of acute cases presenting all at once; cases involving an uncommon toxin type (C, D, F, G, or non-aquatic food associated E); patients with a common geographic factor but without a common dietary exposure; and, multiple simultaneous outbreaks without a common source.

Diagnosis and testing are available at the CDC and some local and state laboratories. The standard test for the toxin is the mouse bioassay. Unfortunately, this assay is time consuming. Future development is focused on rapid diagnosis/detection. Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) assays that can detect the Clostridia spp. bacterial DNA toxin sequences are currently under development. Enzyme Linked ImmunoSorbent Assays (ELISAs) are being developed to detect functionally active toxins.

In the event that there is a clinical suspicion of botulinum toxin, treatment with antitoxin should not be delayed for microbiological testing. In the U.S., licensed botulinum antitoxin is available from the CDC via state and local health departments. An investigational heptavalent antitoxin is held by the U.S. Army. Optimal therapy for botulism requires early suspicion of the disease and prompt administration of antitoxin in conjunction with supportive care. Supportive care for patients with botulism may include mechanical ventilators in the intensive care unit, parenteral nutrition, and treatment of secondary infections.

An investigational botulinum toxoid is used to provide immunity for laboratory workers. It has been used to provide immunity against botulinum toxin over the past 30 years. However, supply of the toxoid is limited, and use of it would eliminate possible beneficial uses of toxoid for medical purposes. The toxoid induces immunity over several months and so would not be effective for rapid, post-exposure prophylaxis.

Existing technologies could produce large reserves of human antibody against the botulinum toxin. Administration of such a therapy could provide immunity of up to a month or greater and obviate the need for rationing the equine antitoxin. The development of such a human antibody reserve would require sufficient resources be dedicated to this problem.

1 posted on 10/02/2003 4:55:17 PM PDT by Republican Red
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2 posted on 10/02/2003 4:57:22 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Republican Red
Yes this proves it, we've found the smoking gun. Everything is all better now.

I have to take a shower, can you keep me pinged on this please?

3 posted on 10/02/2003 4:57:26 PM PDT by AAABEST (http://www.floridasoundoff.com)
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To: Republican Red
Contacted by reporters, the scientist said, "It was my wife's. She wants to look younger. Yeah. Yeah. That's the ticket..."
4 posted on 10/02/2003 4:57:28 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (<Tag>Something unspeakably clever</Tag>)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Contacted by reporters, the scientist said, "It was my wife's, Morgan Fairchild . She wants to look younger. Yeah. Yeah. That's the ticket..."
5 posted on 10/02/2003 5:01:29 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: tsmith130
it was only for personal use!
6 posted on 10/02/2003 5:03:50 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Republican Red
I'm fighting on another board with leftist Saddam apologists telling me, "Maybe he's just getting a treatment."

Puh-LEEASE!!!

7 posted on 10/02/2003 5:05:03 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: Republican Red
Hey Your Right!

This IS THE SMOKING GUN!

Albeit not a (Physically) large smoking gun, but it's still enough because Saddam was required in UN Resolution 1441 to REVEAL ALL WMD WEAPONS NO MATTER HOW SMALL!!!

THIS IT WE FOUND IT!!!
8 posted on 10/02/2003 5:09:45 PM PDT by Pubbie ("Last time I checked, he doesn't have a vote" - Tom DeLay on Ari Fleischer's demand for Tax-Rebates)
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To: Republican Red
This looks like the smoking gun from where I'm sitting. In fact, it also may show WHY we're having such a hard time finding WMD. We're not dealing with large quanitites of hidden materials. We're dealing with a vial here...a bottle of chemical agents over there...

In short, Saddam DID outsmart us in one regard; our assumption that he was stupid was flat-out wrong. He learned how to hide this stuff discretely and has apparently done so very well. Hang in there, folks, I think the proof is going to come. But it may take a while longer still.
9 posted on 10/02/2003 5:13:43 PM PDT by VOR78
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To: Pubbie
Saddam was stated to have had 19,000 litres of this stuff

One gram can kill one million people

19,000 litres can wipe out the entire current human population of the planet...Three Times

10 posted on 10/02/2003 5:14:29 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: Republican Red
It's not a smoking gun to the left or their friends on the right who opposed the war in Iraq.

For me, the killing of Abu Abbas, the man responsible for killing the wheelchair bound American Leon Klinghoffer and rolling him off into the sea, was reason enough. It was way past time to inflict major pain on jihadists and those who preach the "can't we all just get along and mind our own p's and q's" crap are no pals of mine.

11 posted on 10/02/2003 5:14:45 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Republican Red


That's not the real headline, is it?

It's not an unimportant development, but your headline and single sentence excerpt don't accurately represent the article, do they?


12 posted on 10/02/2003 5:16:46 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: RandallFlagg
Somebody E-mail this to Conservative talk shows, go on liberal Websites, call our friends and family that the smoking gun HAS BEEN FOUND!

The Administration isn't calling this the smoking gun, but that DOES NOT mean Republicans across the country CAN!

And if the liberals say it "isn't the smoking gun" then ask them "Ok what in YOUR opinion would constitute a smoking gun"???

13 posted on 10/02/2003 5:17:58 PM PDT by Pubbie ("Last time I checked, he doesn't have a vote" - Tom DeLay on Ari Fleischer's demand for Tax-Rebates)
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To: Republican Red
Some people will not be convinced. You can have Saddam with Osama and people will say there is no connection with Iraq and Al Qeda.
14 posted on 10/02/2003 5:18:08 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: RandallFlagg
Although one gram could potentially kill one million people it is not really possible.
15 posted on 10/02/2003 5:18:42 PM PDT by fiftymegaton
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To: fiftymegaton
So what?

You can still use just a tiny amount of Botulinum to create an unlimited amount of new strains.

Let's say this is the smoking gun!
16 posted on 10/02/2003 5:27:16 PM PDT by Pubbie ("Last time I checked, he doesn't have a vote" - Tom DeLay on Ari Fleischer's demand for Tax-Rebates)
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To: Republican Red
It isn't really the stockpiles that matter. It's the programs. There *were* programs, and even Kay's latest discussion shows that.

The stockpiles, if they are ever found, are kinda peripheral in my mind. They have a short shelf life. The war was about preventing Iraq from developing it's programs, and we were successful in that.
17 posted on 10/02/2003 5:29:25 PM PDT by Ramius (--> Post No Bills <--)
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To: Pubbie
JEEZ! You folks won't believe what these leftists are saying to defend their pal, Saddam...

"So the only thing that can prove anything really is if they prove this known biological weapons scientist did not put his scientific knowledge to any other use. Einstein was a know atomic weapons scientist but thats not all he worked on."

Unbelievable!!!

18 posted on 10/02/2003 5:35:50 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: RandallFlagg
Somebody E-Mail this to Sean Hannity, and Brit Hume!!!

Brit mentioned the "Kuwait foils Chem Weapon smuggling" story today, which turned out not to be true.

I'll bet he mentions this if someone emails him!
19 posted on 10/02/2003 5:38:53 PM PDT by Pubbie ("Last time I checked, he doesn't have a vote" - Tom DeLay on Ari Fleischer's demand for Tax-Rebates)
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To: RandallFlagg
A biological weapons scientist has vials of a potential biological weapon in his home. What's the most likely explanation. Explain to them the principle of Occam's Razor. Of two competing theories, the simpler one is to be preferred.

Better yet, put it in terms that even a liberal democrat can understand: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its probably a duck.
20 posted on 10/02/2003 5:51:17 PM PDT by VOR78
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