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LOBBYING FAILS, H-1B VISA CAP FALLS to 65,000
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 01, 2003 12:53:47 PM ]via India TImes ^ | OCTOBER 01, 2003 12:53:47 PM | K YATISH RAJAWAT/ECONOMICTIMES.COM

Posted on 10/01/2003 9:39:39 AM PDT by 11th_VA

MUMBAI: The annual cap for H-1B visas will now be 65,000. This is a sharp drop from the earlier limit of 195,000 visas.

The US plans to enforce this rule from October 1, 2003.

The Indian IT industry has been lobbying hard to freeze H-1B visa limits at current levels. However, these efforts which had the support of some US corporations to retain H-1B visa limits have failed. (Will Europe be the next big hunting ground for Indian IT pros?)

Indian IT professionals are among the largest users of H-1B visas, as US Big Tech shops big from this technical pool. The H1-B visa cap was raised to 195,000 in 02. This particular legislation had a 'sunset' clause. According to this clause, the limit would have (automatically) lapsed on October 1, 2003. Ergo, the H1-B visa annual cap will now fall back to 65,000 visas.

The H1-B visa issue has generated a lot of controversy in the US. Several trade unions representing (local) technology workers have been lobbying against these work permits. The slowdown in the high-tech industry combined with an overall drop in US economic growth has resulted in a number of job losses.

H1-B visa users have been at the receiving end of criticism from unemployed American professionals for taking away their jobs. These visa users are also seen as representative of the trend towards offshore outsourcing trade jargon for moving to cheaper locations like India which is also under flak for spiriting away US jobs.

The visa was created in the early 1950s to give skilled foreign workers a permit to reside in the United States. The H1-B category was added in 1990 to give foreign workers an opportunity to pick up a job with the intention of remaining permanently in the United States.

In 1999, under pressure from high-tech companies and other manufacturers, Congress expanded the limit from 65,000 to 115,000. It raised the cap again to 215,000 in 00 and to 195,000 in 01 and 02.

Top Indian companies have been curtailing the use of H1-B visas for sending employees to the US. Ergo, it unlikely that the offshore outsourcing trend will be affected. Most companies have shifted to the use of L-1 visas (used for intra-company transfers). However, companies whose basic revenue model is supplying manpower to US corporations, ( body-shoppers, are likely to be hit by this move.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gat; h1b; h1bvisas; immigrantlist; l1visas; nafta; onetermpresident
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Hey Tex, could you tell some of your family members wandering around the White House to tell Bush that most American's have absolutely had it with this immigration nightmare.

Sure thing. He realizes this country is 50/50 though and has said so throughout. Half this country hates him (like you) and the other half, being conservatives, like him. We'll see you next November. Good luck to you and your candidates seeking to beat him. We will win though.

221 posted on 10/01/2003 11:48:18 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (Angry uneducated people are really funny.)
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To: No.6
Wonder how many never make it on the boat back?
222 posted on 10/01/2003 11:48:47 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: RiflemanSharpe
He answers questions with insults.

Anger is no argument.

Well...it is...but thats all it is...

224 posted on 10/01/2003 11:49:27 AM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: talleyman
LOL

limit the visa but not the mastercards

ROTFL - that's a good pun!!
225 posted on 10/01/2003 11:49:31 AM PDT by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
#172 was removed because NO ONE has any risk of having employers contacted by management here. JR's suggestion was wrong.

However, checking your IP to see if you are an incarnation of a former troll by the Admins is simply prudent, given the circumstances.

226 posted on 10/01/2003 11:49:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I am the extended middle finger in the fist of life.)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

If you'd been following more closely, you'd realize exactly where I'm from in Texas and it wouldn't really surprise you at all. Many of our friends and neighbors are working there or closely with others who are.

227 posted on 10/01/2003 11:49:48 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (Angry uneducated people are really funny.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Remember I said NET that implies using the same numbers on both sides of teh equation that Steel Consumers study ises regression analysis for teh number of jobs cost by the Steel Tariff but does not use the same regression analysis technique on the benefit side of the equation which shows the jobs saved and generated.

This has been explained numerous times before to you so How abvout it Dawg. Can you come up with one study showing a net gharm from a tariff any tariff in teh history of the USA since our Constitution was adopted. We have had protective tariffs in place since 1789 Come on just ONE NET STUDY SHOWING HARM.

Since the professors who did the steel consumers study stated that the only proper way to measure the impact of a tariff is by regression analaysis and tehy did the regression analysis for teh costs but refrained from doing it for the benefits one must presume that the sdame technoque qouls have yeild results taht would have irritated their benefactors. By the same token teh Steel producers have come out with studies that show teh benefits but even then theri studies showing costs are far less than the steel consumers study so they are not admissable as a refutation r even showing a net benefit which they do even when comparede with the steel consumers study. When soemone shows a study showing one net harmm I will be grateful because s study of the China trade which does regression analysis on both sides shows that a tariff provides the USA with a net benefit.

You know this I have typed the same explanation numerous times before

Since I have typed this before I must ask you if your position is so correct WHY DO YOU HAVE TO LIE TEXAS DAWG????,

I have backed up my statements and if you would care to repost the link to the steel consumers study everyone can see that the math is what I say it is.

So once more why do you have to lie??

228 posted on 10/01/2003 11:51:07 AM PDT by harpseal (stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Taliferro
I know who you are, the rest of the world knows you as Karl Rove.

Man, I wish. In my dreams. What a badarse.

229 posted on 10/01/2003 11:51:12 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (Angry uneducated people are really funny.)
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To: harpseal
Since the professors who did the steel consumers study stated that the only proper way to measure the impact of a tariff is by regression analaysis and tehy did the regression analysis for teh costs but refrained from doing it for the benefits

Haha. Uh huh.

230 posted on 10/01/2003 11:52:08 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (Angry uneducated people are really funny.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
If you'd been following more closely, you'd realize exactly where I'm from in Texas and it wouldn't really surprise you at all.

I really could give a $hit.

Many of our friends and neighbors are working there or closely with others who are.

You keep thinking that dawg.

231 posted on 10/01/2003 11:53:02 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: Lazamataz
OMG! PLEASE! Now you have family in the White House!!

Wait a minute, think about what he is saying.

I think he is, clandestinely, admitting he is a chicom.

He, therefore, does have "family" in the Whitehouse, in our weapons labs, and other areas of our governement.

232 posted on 10/01/2003 11:53:17 AM PDT by riri
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To: Texas_Dawg
Does it worry you that I have friends and family members working in the White House?

So who are your friends and family in the White House? Are their positions a secret?

233 posted on 10/01/2003 11:53:36 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Lazamataz
Yup, I agree with you, that last post of his was a HOOT. Now I know for sure he's a troll. I completely blew his a$$ out of the water on another thread a few days ago, so much so that he didn't (couldn't ) respond.

What's the phrase around here on FR.

ZZZOOOOTTTTT!

Texas Dawg, you've been outed.
234 posted on 10/01/2003 11:55:56 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Lazamataz; Texas_Dawg
I for one couldn't be happier that China_Dawg posts His/Hers/Its Idiocy continually throughout the business day, every day on FR.

China_Dawg is the definitive Poster Boy for Free Traitor Socialists. Whereas most One World Neo-CONS like to hide their Global Socialist Agenda in meaningless words and double speak, The Dawg unabashedly articulates the positions of Free Traitors so clearly, so candidly with no inhibitions or remorse that it only helps our cause.

Keep on Posting China_Dawg!

We need you to keep telling the Unholy Truth about what One World Neo-Cons really think but are afraid to say.

235 posted on 10/01/2003 11:57:00 AM PDT by WRhine
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To: harpseal
So once more why do you have to lie??

Same reason he has to claim he's got family in the White House.

Trolling is what he does.

236 posted on 10/01/2003 11:57:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I am the extended middle finger in the fist of life.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Angry uneducated people are really funny

Your tag line says a lot about you.

So you think that when people get angry because their livelihoods are threatened, it's comical. I hope you still feel that way when the hungry, angry, pitch-fork carrying masses storm your Manhattan apartment.

But ... Tex. Don't worry, you always have the police or a private security force. They'll protect you. NOT!

237 posted on 10/01/2003 11:58:24 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Texas_Dawg
To compete with Indian workers, we would have to lower our standard of living to that of India. They will work just to survive, while an American worker has higher aspirations. If an American IT worker wants a job, he has to be willing to live in a one-bedroom apartment with 4 other people and contribute nothing to our economy.

I do believe that there is something to your argument in the sense that our workers are more expensive because of lawsuits, workers comp and other situations that cause our workers to be more expensive, above and beyond salary. I think that lower work ethic and expectations of employers to baby-sit us is causing companies to look elsewhere. We can make ourselves more valuable by being stronger, smarter and more ambitious.

I am glad that the H1-b visas have been reduced, because world economics goes a little deeper than your thinking allows. If we have no controls, at best all we will have here are service jobs, and/or a country that is a shithole like India. Think a little about the country as a whole, not GE's profit, which will be effected if we don't have any high paying jobs left.
238 posted on 10/01/2003 11:58:58 AM PDT by Andrewksu
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To: WRhine
The Dawg unabashedly articulates the positions of Free Traitors so clearly, so candidly with no inhibitions or remorse that it only helps our cause.

Plus, he is quite comical in his idiocy.

239 posted on 10/01/2003 12:00:23 PM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: WRhine
You do make one heck of a point.
240 posted on 10/01/2003 12:00:45 PM PDT by Elliott Jackalope (We send our kids to Iraq to fight for them, and they send our jobs to India. Now THAT'S gratitude!)
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