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To: Prodigal Son
It's silly because, we're propping up a dictator and antagonizing the people. Put in a democratic govt like we're doing in Irq and confiscate their nukes. Yes, I realise that that means war, but what's the other option? We can't prop him up forever, he'll get hit by the fundies and the fundies will over rule the moderates, as happened in Persia/Iran after the overthrowing of the Shah-- who was propped up by us. And when he does get overthrown and the fundies take power, the pakislamic regime will be way worse than the Irani was, AND they'll have nukes.
26 posted on 10/03/2003 8:03:11 AM PDT by Cronos (W2004)
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To: Cronos
Put in a democratic govt like we're doing in Irq and confiscate their nukes. Yes, I realise that that means war, but what's the other option?

I'm assuming you've read my posts to this point. I said exactly the same thing earlier. We are in total agreement here. There are three options. One is propping up the dictator (temporarily). The two other options (aside from ignoring the problem) are invading and nuking. I addressed these earlier. If we're ready to nuke 'em- hey, why not? It's just that it seems to me this comes with too many problems and I would imagine the gov't in Washington sees it the same way. This means we will have to follow the other option- invasion and restructuring. But we are not capable of this at the moment. It isn't for lack of wanting to- we just don't have the available force.

Which brings us right back to what we're doing. Until we get the force to solve the problem right- we continue supporting a status quo that we are more comfortable with.

Your post is actually making the exact same points I have made. We can't prop him up forever and I have never said I wanted to or that we would. I simply said it is buying us time until we can do what needs to be done.

Another point people seem to ignore about containing Saddam from 1991 to present is that it saved thousands and thousands of lives on our side and on theirs. In that twelve years we developed the ability to simply walk right into his country and take it from him. We did not possess that ability to the same level in 1991. It would've been a lot bloodier and a lot uglier and we would've been a lot less able to deal with the consequences.

I don't know if you've ever heard about this one but a while back some researchers addressed the problem of research projects that required large amounts of computer time- years of computer time. They came to the conclusion that- taking Moore's law into account (computer speed increasing exponentially with time)- if your project was going to take longer than say, three years, you'd be better off taking the funding grant, using a lot of the money to go on vacation for a year on the beach and then simply buy cheaper faster computers in 18 months that would accomplish the same project faster- and still make your deadlines...

One example to note as a demonstration- the Human Genome Project. They worked on decoding DNA for what- a decade? Along came Celeron and did the same work in a couple of years with faster equipment. This is a great demonstration of this phenomenom. And the interim years between Operation Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom is another. All the pundits and analysts were basing their knowledge of the US Military on Desert Storm when we had made gigantic strides in a decade. People could not get their minds around what we did in Iraq- they still can't.

The point here? We are forced into a situation where we have to sort of prop up Musharraf because our only other realistic option at the moment is to nuke the place. While we're waiting for the equation's factors to change on our end, much will change in our ability to act. We will be even more able to deal with this problem next year than we are presently able to. If this situation goes on another five years our ability to affect the outcome in Pakistan will be increased even more so. If we can't accomplish our goal today- which we can't- there are some very real benefits to patiently biding our time.

27 posted on 10/03/2003 8:31:27 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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