Recall, Schwarzenegger ahead in new LA Times poll [Schwarzenegger 40, Bustamante 32]

SF Chronicle ^ | Sep 30, 2003

[george wythe]

Voters favored recalling Gov. Gray Davis by a large margin in a Los Angeles Times poll released Tuesday and Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger was ahead of Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, a Democrat.

It was the second recent statewide survey to show Davis badly behind and Schwarzenegger in the lead. There is a week to go until the Oct. 7 election.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

TMad

There you go picking on me again! :O)

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Tuesday evening is going to be a long night

Tuesday evening is going to be a glorious night!

WE THE PEOPLE are going to kick ass!

[pogo101]

Bustamante is a 32? Nah! He's a 38 C if I've ever seen one.

Nuts. 42 double D. Easy.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

This post by ArneFufkin is excellent and right on the money.

So why did the admin delete it?

[nickcarraway]

#34

[FairOpinion]

So why did the admin delete it?


I have no clue, but here is the link the post -- it was copied from another thread, where the post still exists.

See for yourself. It's a well thought out post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/992536/posts?page=189#189

[Central Scrutiniser]

Exactly, sadly, tonites moderator is a Tom fan which means its ok to censor those who are not part of the Tom cult.

[The Old Hoosier]

He'll never be re-elected without that 15-18 percent of the vote, that's for sure. He needs to win over the Right unless he's planning to go back to make Terminator 4 in 2006.

[Sir Gawain]

Looks like things are firming up for Schwarzenegger.....

So the LA Times is trustworthy now? It's getting hard to keep up.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

I agree with you that her post should not have been pulled. Nonetheless, I am reminded of Ronald Reagan's statement: "I am not going to carry the banner over the cliff just becease I owld feel good on the way down" (paraprhrasing). She could be quilty of over-exubrant idiology, at best.

[deport]

So the LA Times is trustworthy now? It's getting hard to keep up.

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Then tag along as you can.....

To the extent that it follows other polls and their trends then it's has some value... To place absolute faith in it, no. But the lastest polls that are coming out seem to be trending in the same direction....

[FairOpinion]

Are we talking about the same post?

I'll risk reposting it and see what happens:

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Anyone who is so obtuse or unsophisticated to not understand that without electoral success and political office, principles and ideologies cannot be protected, won and codified, aren't worth the time of day. Electoral success necessitaties a consensus and the accomodations and compromises that entails.

People who have no desire to change their world, no will to work within the parameters of a real political landscape, no intent to address their grievences or pursue their principles in serious ways need to be kicked to the curb wit' a quickness.

A principled vote for an unelectable Tom McClintock, who could never deliver a pro-life, anti-gay and immigration satisfaction from the Sacramento Governor office even if elected - is not to be respected or admired or understood in any way. It's nothing but a selfish fashion statement.

"Conservative" still has a distinct political and ideological meaning in the world outside Free Republic, but it has been mangled beyond recognition within the forum. When Michael Medved, Dennis Prager, Hugh Hewitt, Dana Rohrbacher, Duke Cunningham, Chris Cox, Sean Hannity, Bill Thomas, Bill Simon and Duncan Hunter are no longer considered "real conservatives" by mutants here ... I don't want to be a "real conservative".

The California GOP is now Arnold's party. The sweet little power and financial motherlode the unappeasables enjoyed and maintained through their perennial LOSING is hitherto TERMINATED.

Californians got Gray Davis, Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Bill Lockyear and Socialist Democrat rule because the California GOP was run by hacks who deemed any Republican capable of statewide election automatically unfit and not Conservative enough to support.

That's the angst here. The McClintock gang are losing their franchise, and all the power and money that goes with it.

189 posted on 09/30/2003 8:19 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/992536/posts?page=189#189

[Sir Gawain]

So, we praise it when it suits our purposes and criticize it when it doesn't. Got it.

[onyx]

To: deport

LAT's debut into the real world? I don't like or trust their polls regardless of this one's apparent accuracy.

It' ain't over yet, but it's looking good!


25 posted on 09/30/2003 8:11 PM PDT by onyx (Ask the Indian$)

[b9]

Arnie Fufkin left out Roger Hedgecock in his list of
notables.
He lent Tom McClintock his microphone more often
than any other talk show host, long before anyone
knew who Tom was.
It was with great heaviness that he ultimately came to endorse Arnold.

[Tempest]

Most likely you're right. It'll depend alot on how well he does with what he's got facing him right now.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

I see no reason why this post should have been pulled.

[FairOpinion]

"It was with great heaviness that he ultimately came to endorse Arnold. "

==

As did Ray Haynes.

But as Haynes said:

"We will not advance principle as long as personality trumps principle in these types of disputes.

I have worked too hard, fought too much for the things we believe in to sacrifice them for my political career, for someone else's ego, or for the shortsightedness of those who are my allies. "

[Jim Robinson]

Well, that's probably why it wasn't pulled. There was one pulled a few posts above that one where the poster told someone to "pull his head out of his ass."

[CurlyDave]

Polls indicate that had Arnold not entered, McClintock would have handily won over Cruz and California would have ended up with a conservative governor.

This is simply not true. Polls indicate that if Arnold were to drop out sometime last week, Tom would beat Busty, but by a much lower margin than Arnold.

Arnold being in the recall has gotten press and raised awareness of the issues well beyond what a recall would have been like if only "professional politicians" had been running. Plus, in the debate, Arnold beat up Busty on the Indian gaming donations, an action Tom could not have taken, since his own hands are dirty on that one.