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McClintock Beats Bustamante in CA Recall!
Gallup Poll ^ | 9/30/03 | Gallup Poll

Posted on 09/30/2003 3:43:00 PM PDT by evilsmoker

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Sen. Tom McClintock makes a point during the a debate between California gubernatorial recall candidates Wednesday, September 24, 2003 in Sacramento. . Zuma Press/Sacramento Bee photo: J. Decker
Either McClintock or Schwarzenegger Likely Winner in California if Other Dropped Out
With Arnold Schwarzenegger the Republican front-runner in the California gubernatorial contest, many GOP officials have pressured California State Sen. Tom McClintock to drop out of the race, fearing he will divide the Republican vote and allow Democratic Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante to win. A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, conducted over the past weekend, shows that McClintock does indeed draw support away from Schwarzenegger, though not enough to deprive the actor of the lead among probable voters. But the poll also shows that if Schwarzenegger were not in the race, McClintock would likely be in first place by a substantial margin, rather than behind Bustamante.
 
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A majority of registered voters in California say they are extremely or very interested in the recall election.
How interested would you say you are in this recall election - extremely interested, very interested, moderately interested, only a little interested, or not at all interested?
± 4% Margin of Error
September 25-27, 2003
Sample Size= 787
Registered voters in
California



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; graydavis; mcclintock; recall
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To: Brian Allen
BE A REPUBLICAN!

Yeah, check the party platform and see what it means to "BE A REPUBLICAN." Feel free to disagree on one or two things, but if you disagree on darn near everything, maybe, like Arnold, you stumbled into the wrong party.

321 posted on 10/01/2003 7:19:07 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (It's time for Arnold to stop splitting the Republican vote and step aside for the good of the party)
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To: pollywog
Great! I swung my Dr. over last week.
322 posted on 10/01/2003 7:21:59 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (It's time for Arnold to stop splitting the Republican vote and step aside for the good of the party)
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To: SteveH
How do I know you wrote that by yourself?
323 posted on 10/01/2003 7:32:53 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: SteveH
ArneFufkin, from the crate great state of Minnesota, wrote:

;-)

324 posted on 10/01/2003 7:34:32 AM PDT by SteveH ((why can't we all just get along??? ;-))
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To: SteveH
Arnold understands the immediate need: stop the bloodletting from retarded energy contracts and incompetent debt instruments. That's job number one.

Warren Buffet knows every banker, bondsman, investment stud and financeer in the world. George Schultz knows all those guys ... and their older brothers.

If Arnold needs to know every lock that ain't locked when no-ones around ... he's got Roger Miller's cell phone number.

Restructuring all the diseased fiscal black holes is the first order of business. Kicking Mike Tyson out of state brings the community debt down $1.1 billion. Those are the kind of common sense actions Arnold is going to pursue.

Let the major leaguers do their work, let them use their experience and chits to professionalize and stabilize Californias debt structure, energy pacts, union contracts and pension liabilities. Vote Arnold out in '06. Newly relocated phenom/heartthrob Tom Tancredo should be sesoned perfectly for the latest California conservative to be drawn and quartered in 25% chunks of principle and true conservatism.

325 posted on 10/01/2003 7:58:36 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: SteveH
I'm sorry you feel that way. Do you know Ray personally?
326 posted on 10/01/2003 8:06:18 AM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: ArneFufkin
Remember the political demographics for the State put (self described) "conservatives" at about 30% of the voting population, "liberals" at about 20%, and "moderates" at about 50%. The conservatives will vote in higher percentages because they are highly motivated to remove and replace the governor. The liberals are very depressed, and the evident failure of Davis and Bustamante will re-enforce their lethargy. That leaves the large, so-called "moderate" voting population as the swing votes.

Ask your self, "Why are moderates moderate?" I would say it is because they have tended to reject the more extreme or devisive social policies of either the liberals or the conservatives. When it comes to fiscal policies, I sense that the majority of the moderates tend to lean conservative. (It was the political humourist, P. J. O'Roarke, who said that "a liberal was defined as a person who would give his neighbor's checking account to the poor."). I think it is the fiscally conservative moderates who are motivated to vote.

My sense is that the true liberals will stay home. Suppose on 1/3 of them vote (not unrealistic, because only about 1/2 of eligible voters overall will actually vote). About 2/5 of the moderates will turnout. About 3/4 of the conservatives will vote (they smell blood). Based on the 30-50-20 registration of political ideology, and recalculated, you get roughly 47-40-13.

Not withstanding your description of the types of voters you believe are motivated to vote in this recall election, most of the voters in this election will be those who tend to vote in election after election. I honestly don't see a great groundswell of "new" voters coming to the polls. I see this election turning on the relative abundance of the core voters in each of the demographic groupings.

327 posted on 10/01/2003 8:52:01 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: ArneFufkin
ha ha ha !! ...

328 posted on 10/01/2003 8:53:57 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: Friend of thunder
I'm sure Jim Jones would have approved.
329 posted on 10/01/2003 9:01:58 AM PDT by LPM1888 (Freedom begins when you tell Mrs Grundy to go fly a kite)
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To: mrs tiggywinkle; ElkGroveDan
I'm sorry you feel that way. Do you know Ray personally?

No I don't know Ray personally, but I have listened to him on occasion, I believe, on talk shows such as the Michael Reagan Show. (Do you?)

In the past, I recall I had been favorably impressed by his conservative values and his stands on issues.

It is a real pain to listen to people battle it out like this in public.

I would be very reluctant to do to any friend of mine what Ray did to Tom. Maybe Ray didn't sell out Tom personally, but at least he seems to have sold out politically (ok?).

I dunno, maybe I'm missing something...

[I went back to Ray's letter. Ray made some mistakes in judgement IMHO. First, he thinks Issa has good character and is electable. I don't, based on my experience as a voter and consumer of Issa's company's product. Ray thinks Tom ran just because he thought he could win and was better than Issa. I don't view that as controversial, and I think Issa dropped out because he was vulnerable, not just because others such as Tom ran against him. No one can get as far as Tom has gotten through all these days without something powerful to offer voters. I'm checking almost daily in my area and there is still strong support for Tom-- I could never sell Issa to anyone, friend or acquaintence. Ray ignores reasons for Tom staying in the race: Tom as a foil in the debate; Tom as insurance against an Arnold dirt-bomb; Tom sucking up support from Democrat crossover vote in a race where the frontrunner Republican has high negatives along with both Davis and Busta; etc. Ray missed a lot and maybe he's not as bright as I would normally expect a conservative in his situation to be.]

ElkGroveDan says (in so many words) that he's very close to "ground zero" on the entire Tom McClintock story. I do listen with my heart as well as my head, and I think ElkGroveDan is telling the truth here. So far, his predictions to me have been right on.

If you likewise have a close view of the situation, feel free to share thoughts or info, publicly or otherwise. I try not to be dogmatic.

Politics are politics, but friendship is another plane. Just my opinion, and you know what Dirty Harry says about those ;-).

330 posted on 10/01/2003 9:29:25 AM PDT by SteveH ((why can't we all just get along??? ;-))
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To: SteveH
**No I don't know Ray personally, but I have listened to him on occasion, I believe, on talk shows such as the Michael Reagan Show. (Do you?) **

Yes, I do know him personally.

331 posted on 10/01/2003 9:31:16 AM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: ArneFufkin
OK, that's better, fairly good boilerplate pro-Arnold stuff, thanks ;-)
332 posted on 10/01/2003 9:31:45 AM PDT by SteveH ((why can't we all just get along??? ;-))
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To: mrs tiggywinkle
Yes, I do know him personally.

Oh. I'm sorry, I did not know. Well, then...

I guess I think of him as someone with good intentions. I'll still try to keep that impression.

Sometimes it is difficult, especially in the current environment, to keep a dispassionate discourse.

I'll try to clean up a bit (maybe w/ admin help). My apologies to all. If you want, feel free to forward my quick take on his letter, since it didn't convince me the first time, and it doesn't convince me now (I really tried). Alternatively, feel free to instruct me where I went off in the weeds. Arnold will probably win anyway regardless of anything any of us do, and why not limit incidental damages in any case.

333 posted on 10/01/2003 9:41:22 AM PDT by SteveH ((why can't we all just get along??? ;-))
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To: CheneyChick
I like that one.... BTTT.... I wish FR would do a poll to see how many folks WANT McClintock but support Arnold because they think McClintock can't win.. this would be interesting..
334 posted on 10/01/2003 10:09:19 AM PDT by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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To: Moosefart
Nice Spam Hoosier. Try reading the original article of this thread.
335 posted on 10/01/2003 10:35:29 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (That's pre-election bogus, Arnold Schwarzenegger.)
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To: SteveH
No apology necessary, Steve.
336 posted on 10/01/2003 12:31:37 PM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: davidosborne
you have freepmail
337 posted on 10/01/2003 12:41:24 PM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: ArneFufkin
All I can say is that if RINOld is elected or the recall should fail for whatever reason, I will be out of California within 6-10 months. He does NOT represent anything I value...
338 posted on 10/01/2003 5:46:29 PM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
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To: Tempest
Ah, calling people who don't agree with you fascist, the calling card of the Liberal. It's all coming together now. No wonder you like Arnold so much.
339 posted on 10/01/2003 10:32:08 PM PDT by Dat
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To: ArneFufkin
A person who votes for someone exclusivly because of a label next to his name and because he was in a couple movies is a sheeple. They have zero integrety and have no ability to think and do not deserve to vote at all.
340 posted on 10/01/2003 10:35:33 PM PDT by Dat
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