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To: Gabz
There is no Lie about the stink and filth that a house of a smoker has versus a non smoker. I've had to seal repaint, and cleanup and replace enough carpet in homes and apartments of habitual smokers... I've seen more than my fair share of homes where the walls are a dark cream, except where the pictures were hung and the true white paint the walls were shows through..


Cleanup from smoking is expensive and costly, and frankly no way I'd buy a house that smells like an ashtray regardless of the health issues... anymore than I'd buy a house that stunk of cat or dog urine.

If you smoke in your house, you are driving down your property value on resale, its just a pure and simple fact.
14 posted on 09/30/2003 12:48:37 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
We own rent houses and do not rent to smokers. We used to but the cost of rehabbing a house after a smoker moves is too expensive.
19 posted on 09/30/2003 12:54:03 PM PDT by jsbankston
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To: HamiltonJay
There is no Lie about the stink and filth

STINK AND F I L T H????????? Where do you get off!

45 posted on 09/30/2003 1:33:37 PM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: HamiltonJay
If you smoke in your house, you are driving down your property value on resale, its just a pure and simple fact.

And how about those of us who have to heat in the winter with WOOD FIRES???? I have a big wood furnace in the basement that I used 5-6 months out of the year. Believe me......it's a good heat but a dirty one. But that's how we heat our homes here.

46 posted on 09/30/2003 1:35:12 PM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: HamiltonJay
If you smoke in your house, you are driving down your property value on resale, its just a pure and simple fact.

Your "fact" is different then my "fact" of getting exactly what I wanted out of it.

If you don't like the smell, then don't buy the house - it's very simple.

There is no Lie about the stink and filth that a house of a smoker has versus a non smoker.

That is an extremely nasty thing to say to a fellow FReeper. You have no clue what my house was like. If you don't like it don't buy it, but to become insulting is absolutely uncalled for.

54 posted on 09/30/2003 1:49:13 PM PDT by Gabz (Smoke-gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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To: HamiltonJay
If you smoke in your house, you are driving down your property value on resale, its just a pure and simple fact.

Super! So I get a reduced tax rate,right?

There's NOTHING simple about this drive to demonize smokers, and this is just another link in that reprehensible chain.

71 posted on 09/30/2003 2:15:46 PM PDT by Max McGarrity (Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
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To: HamiltonJay
I inspected homes for many years as a lender's representative. The smoking issue has merit based on the residual stench of burnt tobacco.

The worst case of devaluation I ever witnessed was a smoker's house that literally burned your eyes to be inside. The walls were filthy from nicotine and the burnt tobacco odor was overwhelming. The house sold for $25,000 less that what comparable, odor free/non-dinged wall houses on the same street were selling for.

The people who bought the house painted the interior, replaced the carpets, washed the cabinets and counters....spending about $5,000 to fix the place up. They made a $20,000 profit in 6 months.
107 posted on 09/30/2003 3:10:43 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: HamiltonJay
If you smoke in your house, you are driving down your property value on resale, its just a pure and simple fact.

Not necessarily, there are many other factors, even expensive houses today are buildt on postage stamp size lots, we are now pretty well in the middle of town, with 1/2 acre lot, then there is location, location, location, we have that too.

160 posted on 09/30/2003 4:45:53 PM PDT by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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To: HamiltonJay
HamiltonJay states, "If you smoke in your house, you are driving down your property value on resale, its just a pure and simple fact."

Why on resale? If that's true, then smokers should get automatic devaluations on their assessments from like properties inhabited by non-smokers since you say their property values are less, and therefore smokers should be paying less property taxes. However, I highly doubt that dog would hunt at the assessor's office. This article is just another tactic of the anti-smoker community to try to further dehumanize smokers by inciting normal, average people to believe this malarky, since the message is that if smokers' houses really do sell for less, then that would pull down all valuations within the neighborhood because houses are normally valued on like sales. I never once saw a comparative market appraisal list that house A was owned by a smoker therefore the house was devalued over house B which is owned by a non-smoker. Think about it.

The truth about what drives the price of real estate sales is location, location, and location... period. The same exact style house on two sides of the street may bring different prices, just because of the location, views, and curb appeal.

HamiltonJay also says, "There is no Lie about the stink and filth that a house of a smoker has versus a non smoker. I've had to seal repaint, and cleanup and replace enough carpet in homes and apartments of habitual smokers..."

While I'm fairly certain you are sincere, I do think that you make it sound like all smokers are pigs and the smoke smell is damn near impossible to get out. In reality, you just had bad tenants who didn't clean responsibly. The fact is that both the smoking and non-smoking communities have their fair share of slobs, especially as renters, and home-owners who overextend so as not being able able to keep up with simple, standard maintenance. The statement you made stated correctly would be "There is no Lie about the stink and filth of a bad tenant compared to a good conscientious tenant", not necessarily smoker vs non-smoker. As I see it, renters just don't have pride in ownership, and many (not all) have no respect at all for others' property. I used to move quite a bit (every year or two) and have rented at least a dozen different houses over the years. Never once was I refused my security deposit being returned because of these excessive cleanup costs which you list. In fact, all houses I left were given a good scrubbing before I moved out. I'm sure that not a single landlord of mine ever had more cleanup costs from me than the typical non-smoking tenant and they all may have even had less. Furthermore, as some have stated that the smoke permeates all wood all wallboard, then every house that had even the smallest of house fires should be a total loss due to smoke and soot permeation throughout the house. I once bought a house that even had a previous kitchen fire. A little repair work and paint and no one with the sharpest of olfactory senses could have told the difference. I sure didn't. In fact, I lived in it for six years before doing a little remodeling and finding the remnants of the fire behind a wall.

All this article does is try to influence minds of normal people bombarded with never-ending subliminal and some not so subliminal messages as illustrated by Joe Bob Brigg's article Non Fumar? Comprende and reinforce the value system of those politically correct lemmings to love to follow the anti-smoker pied-piper in demonizing 1/4 of the population. Before you get mad thinking I'm throwing an ad hom at you, I do place you in the ranks of the former.

198 posted on 09/30/2003 5:43:17 PM PDT by lockjaw02 ("The phenomenon of corruption is like the garbage. It has to be removed daily." -Ignacio)
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