URGENT: '02 Wilson bio gives wife's maiden name; '03 he claims revealing maiden name compromises her

Seattle Post-Intelligencer Editorial Board ^ | 9/30/03 (orig. 8/10/03)

[Richard Axtell]

Please post a special "report" even if it is a vanity, digesting what you have compiled on this so-called "scandal". Please ping me or put me on your ping list when you do. I am trying to follow all these threads, there are so many and so much going on, I just can't keep up. There will be a "smoking gun" that lands on Wilson's head at some point, and I want to make sure everyone knows it.

Perhaps the real exposure of the truth it will be the sum total of all these various revelations, but I strongly suspect that:
1.) This affair never involved any real crime in the first place
2.) The Democrats are "fishing" by chumming the waters with this crap, knowing that they can lie and get away with it and hoping that something new and damaging comes up that links to Bush, or at least Rove
3.) The Media are letting themselves be used as a big electronic mouthpiece / loudspeaker for the DNC creeps that desperately need a scandal to pin on Bush.
Hence the many petty and major lies repeated ad nauseum even after they have been totally debunked regarding the whole Niger-Yellowcake-16 words affair.

It is time the truth-tellers win one... so... let us get at the truth and burn it into the forehead of Paul Begala and Carville's slithery snake hide. This time the Free Republic shall have it's revenge! Hurrah, Wolfstar!

[StriperSniper]

Thanks, but I was also trying to find out when it was first posted anywhere(like his bios). 'sockeye7' in Post#66 has a good point, it is also about connecting her name with the CIA. That was what I was trying to do since there is all the talk about cocktail party set inside the Beltway knowing she was employed there. If they know it, it might have already been somewhere on the web, even if it was somebody's personal site.

Lexis is just a database of articles right? If so it wouldn't have pick up say a blog mention would it?

P.S. - Not to be presumptuous, but in Post#69 'Wolfstar' is lamenting his lack of access to Lexis-Nexis, maybe you might be able to help.

[cyncooper]

Sockeye, you are confusing the issues and when one is addressing one aspect of this story, you leapfrog to assign meaning to it that properly applies to a different aspect of it. See?

First, it is Wilson who said that someone giving out his wife's maiden name was some horrific breach when the fact is he lists it himself in his bio. Got that?

Nobody is saying it is right to break the law. The dispute is over whether someone in the Bush adminstration blew her cover (if there was one to be had) for political reasons. Johnson has concluded--baselessly on the evidence to date--that it was. That does not stand up to scrutiny. I am confident it was enemies of the president who outed her. And I am all for anyone who broke the law to pay the price. First, establish a crime was committed. If there was, find the person who did it and prosecute.

But don't then leapfrog to pretend you know it must have been a political vendetta from the Bush WH against the Wilsons. Clearly it was working the other way.

I've posted numerous times today, Cliff May revealed today it was a DEMOCRAT who told him Mrs. Wilson's CIA affiliation (BEFORE the Novak column). The reason the dem revealed it was to convice May that Wilson wasn't as leftist as he thought because wifey was a good employee at the CIA.

[cyncooper]

The story is screwed up to a faretheewell in what you just posted.

How can you have a decent opinion if you rely on distortion in that way?

[cyncooper]

I guess I'll post the May piece again. Not only does he say a dem told him Plame's employer, he points out how absurd it is to think this would "smear" Wilson.

The Corner September 30, 2003

Scroll down for Cliff May's notes:

THE WILSON SAGA: A RECAP [Cliff May] Everyone seems to accept that if the White House leaked the name and occupation of Joe Wilson's wife it was done to "smear" him. But how does that information smear Wilson?

When I learned that his wife worked for the CIA, it caused me to think better about him. In fact, one friend, a Democrat, cited his wife's occupation to me to suggest that Wilson was not as rabid a partisan as I believed (and as I had alleged in NRO).

The alternative explanation that Wilson has suggested: That his wife's name was leaked to "intimidate" him. What does that mean? That the idea was that some foreign agent might attempt to kill Mrs. Wilson?

Are reputable journalists really taking such an allegation seriously?

[StriperSniper]

I think LeBoutillier might be jumping to conclusions on motivation, but it is getting interesting. Check out this thread and follow through it. It is begining to look like there may be loose lips all over not even knowing what they are doing.

Second Letter from Alberto Gonzales to W.H. Staff

[mikegi]

sockeye7, member since Sep 29, 2003. Nice try!

[cyncooper]

Thank you for the link!

[harpo11]

Mr. Wilson is smoking loco weed for sure. I wonder if his company should be investigated while DOJ is on the case of finding der leaker.

[harpo11]

Tbis is a good case for prohibiting nepotism in the government.

[cyncooper]

I never said outing her wasn't a big deal, if she in fact was an under-cover agent. I see you conveniently ignore my post citing Cliff May saying it was a Democrat who ID'd Plame as affiliated with the CIA.

(And you pointed out yourself that probably only a few people knew. Now do you see who may have leaked? It was not the Bush administraton by any account, including Novak.)

You have not properly interpreted my posts and have assigned the wrong assumptions to them.

[cyncooper]

No one outside perhaps a few Wahington insiders and other CIA opertaives knew she was CIA.

Though I'll add May said EVERYBODY seemed to know where she worked. And everybody knew her name was Plame-Wilson.

[nunoste]

Ok not only that...but in a July 22nd National Review article by Donald Luskin also quotes Time Magazine regarding Valerie Plame. The fourth sentence: "But here's the kicker: both the columnist Robert Novak and Time magazine say that administration officials told them that they believed that Mr. Wilson had been chosen through the influence of his wife, whom they identified as a C.I.A. operative." Isn't it remarkable that Krugman would quote conservative icon Robert Novak as an authority on anything more important than the time of day? Well, partisan punditry makes strange bedfellows. Here's what Novak said in a July 14 Chicago Sun-Times column: Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me his wife suggested sending Wilson to Niger to investigate the Italian report. The CIA says its counter-proliferation officials selected Wilson and asked his wife to contact him. "I will not answer any question about my wife," Wilson told me. And here's what Time reported in a July 17 story: And some government officials have noted to TIME in interviews, (as well as to syndicated columnist Robert Novak) that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, is a CIA official who monitors the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. These officials have suggested that she was involved in her husband's being dispatched [sic] Niger to investigate reports that Saddam Hussein's government had sought to purchase large quantities of uranium ore, sometimes referred to as yellow cake, which is used to build nuclear devices. So Time claims to have gotten the same information. This is all such a joke.

[Mia T]

clinton fruitcake cooks Niger yellowcake_ping

[ladyinred]

Of course this is all part of the Clinton's attack on Bush, has nothing whatsoever to do with compromising her safety. The media will never let this go, not ever, this is what they have dreamed of since 2000. Of course, it is all bogus, but then so was the "votes weren't counted, and it's all about sex!"