Key Srebrenica Witness Admits Lying

IWPR ^ | 2003-09-29 | Chris Stephen

[vaudine]

During the war, the world's major media (esp. US) pounded the Serb ethnic cleansing of Muslims. They said nothing about the Muslim troops pouring over the borders to ethnically cleanse the Serb Christians. This was done in large numbers, but it was just not PC to talk about this side of things. The ethnic cleansing of Serb Christians as well as Serb ethnic cleansing of muslims was well documented by two well known human rights orgns. Sorry I can't give names--something like Human Rights Int. These statistics were given in very few media, but hey were there, and I am sure the archives of various orgn can be accessed to give them.

This was, of course, pre 9-11, so the greatest sympathy was with the Muslims over the Christian side. And let's dispense with the sarcasm about the Christian side not acting like Christians. I concede Christians often do not toe the line set out in the Bible. However, that does not zero out what the other side did. It was tit for tat, but was reported one-sidedly.

vaudine

[Poohbah]

Actually, as far as I'm concerned...they're all equally worthless.

Bottom line: a bunch of folks decided to sow the wind, then whined about how they didn't want to reap the whirlwind.

[RussianConservative]

Ask about Glamach, SW Bosnia...no serb left, ask about Tusla, most serb gone and no fighting there. Ask about enclave of Muslim live south of Brcko and allied to Serb through whole war against Izabegovich...ask why Izabegovich spends 16 years in Yugo prison and his connection to Young Muslims movement...many questions, accusers of Serb not like answers. Ask why Islamics try blow up Pope in 1997 in Bosnia.

[nutmeg]

read later bump

[Incorrigible]

Did somebody forget to ping Hoplite?

[Incorrigible]

That would be me! Oops!

[Incorrigible]

It's about Islamic lebensraum and irredentism

I had to look up both lebensraum and irredentism.  Wow!

Those words are Fusion worthy!!!

[Destro]

Yea, what is the Serbo-Croatian term for "killbox"- Where did your assigned translator come from?

[Destro]

The "massacre" of Muslims in Srebrenica was and is a hoax

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Srebrenica+hoax

[joan]

Have you read this yet?

[Terabitten]

Kravica is Serb village and I believe that their native language is Serbian, not English.

Thanks for the blinding flash of the obvious. I assumed everyone on this thread would realize that not many Bosnians, be they Serb,Muslim, or Croat, speak English as a first language, and would therefore understand that the term I used was a translation. Sorry if the quotation marks caused any confusion.

I had a pool of about 12 interpreters (the numbers fluctuated due to personnel changes, etc). They were fairly evenly split between Muslims and Serbs, although I did have one Croat.

I don't speak Serbo-Croatian, and never claimed to, but that particular term came up many times in conversations with locals in the Kravica/Glogova area.

The main question is still unaddressed: Who shot up the warehouse in Kravica?

[joan]

Well, what did it sound like to you when they said it? Do you remember the names of the translators who said "killbox" to you?

Also, is there a pic on the web of the warehouse on the web anywhere?

What if it was a place, during the war, that ambushers used? What were the dimensions - length, width, and height? Naser Oric and his soldiers raided Kravica several times didn't they? What if they kidnapped Serb villagers and killed them and their livestock there?

[Drammach]

I agree with some of what you say.
Specifically, that it was a civil war, and all sides bear some blame.

However, your link title concerning the wedding states January, when the actual date, according to links I read, was in March.
Mis-stating the date weakens your argument.
It doesn't completely discount it, but it weakens it.

Additionally, your contention that Srebrenica was not genocide due to the excuse of "understandable revenge" completely destroys any previous arguments you may have made.
You completely lost any respect for your arguments with your last 2 paragraphs.

I direct you (and others) to the Srebinica timeline of events.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/675945.stm

I understood that the balkans would become a bloodbath as soon as the first declarations of sovereignty were made.
Serbians must accept their part in those atrocities, and stop making excuses.

[A. Pole]

Serbians must accept their part in those atrocities, and stop making excuses.

Even if those atrocities are not true?

[martianagent]

Serbians must accept their part in those atrocities, and stop making excuses.

Most of what I read indicates that Serbian atrocities are mainly fiction.

[Drammach]

Even if those atrocities are not true?

Then I guess you are saying the accusations against the Croatians and Bosnians are "untrue" as well?
That the whole thing was just a figment of our imaginations?

[Hoplite]

Most of what I read indicates that Serbian atrocities are mainly fiction.

Ultimately, you are responsible for vetting your sources of information.

I suggest you do so a little more rigorously.

[joan]

But the Canadian soldiers, fully named men, saw Croats murder Serbs with their own eyes. They also took pictures and witnessed the aftermath very soon after certain Croat operations. One report said two Croatian Serb teenagers' bodies were still hot enough to melt plastic after the Croat had killed them and set them on fire. The Canadian soldiers want to testify; want to bring their photos to court. They aren't anonymous - they were there GENUINE WITNESSES!

[A. Pole]

Then I guess you are saying the accusations against the Croatians and Bosnians are "untrue" as well?

Are you saying that the accusations must be all true or all false? Why?

[Drammach]

Most of what I read indicates that Serbian atrocities are mainly fiction.

Then you need to do a little more reading.
As stated before, the other parties must bear their part in the blame, but so must Serbia.
I am sure there are exaggerated claims on all sides, but that does not mean any of them are blameless.

Just out of curiousity, how old were you in 1991?
How well do you remember the actual events?
No insult intended, just wondering if you experienced that part of world history as an adult, or if you were still a child, adolescent, teenager, etc..

( I was 44 years old, and kept very close track of every thing that happened during that time. )