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White House 'warned over Iraq claim'(Was the Novak story shopped around?)
BBC ^ | July9,2003

Posted on 09/29/2003 5:34:27 PM PDT by Dog

Last Updated: Wednesday, 9 July, 2003, 06:31 GMT 07:31 UK

White House 'warned over Iraq claim'

The CIA warned the US Government that claims about Iraq's nuclear ambitions were not true months before President Bush used them to make his case for war, the BBC has learned. Doubts about a claim that Iraq had tried to buy uranium from the African state of Niger were aired 10 months before Mr Bush included the allegation in his key State of the Union address this year, a CIA official has told the BBC.

On Tuesday, the White House for the first time officially acknowledged that the Niger claim was wrong and suggested it should not have been used in the president's State of the Union speech in January.

Uranium row in quotes But the CIA official has said that a former US diplomat had already established the claim was false in March 2002 - and that the information had been passed on to government departments, including the White House, well before Mr Bush mentioned it in the speech.

Both President Bush and UK Prime Minister Tony Blair mentioned the claim, based on British intelligence, that Iraq was trying to get uranium from Niger as part of its attempt to build a nuclear weapons programme.

Mr Blair is under fire from British MPs about the credibility of a dossier of evidence, which set out his case for war.

And in the US, increasing doubts are being raised about the American use of intelligence.

Forged documents

In his keynote speech to Congress in January, the President said: "The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

But the documents alleging a transaction were found to have been forged.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer appeared to concede on Tuesday that the uranium claim in the State of the Union address was based on inaccurate information.

"The president's statement was based on the predicate of the yellow cake [uranium] from Niger," Mr Fleischer said.

"So given the fact that the report on the yellow cake did not turn out to be accurate, that is reflective of the president's broader statement."

The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.

President George W Bush

Mr Bush's State of the Union address But a former US diplomat, Ambassador Joseph Wilson, went on the record at the weekend to say that he had travelled to Africa to investigate the uranium claims and found no evidence to support them.

Now the CIA official has told the BBC that Mr Wilson's findings had been passed onto the White House as early as March 2002.

That means that the administration would have known nearly a year before the State of the Union address that the information was likely false.

In response, a US Government official told the BBC that the White House received hundreds of intelligence reports every day.

The official said there was no evidence that this specific cable about uranium had been passed on to the president.

But in Congress, Democrats are demanding a full investigation into the intelligence that underpinned the case for war.

They have demanded to know if President Bush used evidence that he knew to be weak or wrong.

British undeterred

The British Government has stood by its assertion, saying the forged documents were not the only evidence used to reach its conclusion that Saddam Hussein tried to buy uranium from Africa.

On Tuesday Mr Blair defended the assessment, telling a committee of MPs that it was not a "fantasy" and that the intelligence services themselves stood by the allegation.

"The evidence that we had that the Iraqi Government had gone back to try to purchase further amounts of uranium from Niger did not come from these so-called 'forged' documents, they came from separate intelligence," Mr Blair said.

However, Mr Blair did not specify what that separate intelligence was.


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: niger; novak; wilson; yellowcake
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To: Dog
Thanks for posting this. Gee, wonder who the CIA source was....
81 posted on 09/30/2003 3:58:26 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Grampa Dave
Wanna see a really nutty link about this? Click here and do a keyword search on Wilson. An excerpt (which I include because I wonder if Wilson is putting out more salacious stuff than we've been hearing):

Ambassador Wilson identified him as Karl Roverer, with the umlaut over the o.

According to reliable sources, as well as our own Al Martin Raw.com investigation, Karl Rove is, in fact, the grandson of Karl Heinz Roverer, the gauleiter of Mecklenburg, who was also a partner and senior engineer of Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurb FCroAG. They built Birchenau, the concentration camp in Nazi Germany.

So Karl Rove has been identified as the leaker responsible for the deaths of more than 70 CIA assets overseas (See previous story Will the Real Chemical Ali Please Stand Up? The Curious Case of Ambassador Joseph Wilson)

When Ambassador Wilson was asked how he knew it was Rove, he had documents in his possession identifying Rove as the leaker from a secret investigation of the State department's Internal Security Unit. It was a from a small clique, four Clinton holdovers in that department of the State Department that were sympathetic to what had happened to Wilson.

82 posted on 09/30/2003 4:05:08 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Grampa Dave; Dog
When Ambassador Wilson was asked how he knew it was Rove, he had documents in his possession identifying Rove as the leaker from a secret investigation of the State department's Internal Security Unit.
83 posted on 09/30/2003 4:06:34 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Grampa Dave
Just don't limit your speculation to Former KGBies, The French, Germans, Saudis, Iranians and others have everything to gain if they can electronically lynch President Bush.

That was in the back of my mind as I wrote KGB. This could also be a scenario put together by a hollywierd FOB who thinks he knows the playbook.

Soros is an interesting possibility. He hates President Bush and tried to crash our $ with the Euro before the Iraqi war started.

This is a player that scares me, much the way Richard Mellon Scaife scares the left. He reminds me of Armand Hammer, who was a KGB agent of influence, taking his marching orders from the old Soviet Kremlin bosses. Who does Soro's associate with?

84 posted on 09/30/2003 4:16:22 AM PDT by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: mewzilla
"When Ambassador Wilson was asked how he knew it was Rove, he had documents in his possession identifying Rove as the leaker from a secret investigation of the State department's Internal Security Unit."

This is interesting. Rush mentioned "state" at the end of his show yesterday.
85 posted on 09/30/2003 5:07:02 AM PDT by jbstrick (Behold the Power of CHEESE!)
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To: Dog
Is there any reason to discount the possiblility the Wilson himself phoned in this story? I mean, he opposed the war (and likely Bush), and is a Clintonista. Certainly enough reason for speculation..........

Wilson should be forced to present a complete list of every person he spoke to in Niger and what they said.

86 posted on 09/30/2003 6:27:56 AM PDT by SpinyNorman
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To: Phsstpok
These attacks on President Bush are well coordinated and like this one set on their back burner until they felt the need to release it.

This takes money and organization to do this. If we ever get to follow the Opecker money and the money from France, Germany, Russia and ?, we will be stunned.

Soros is a very dangerous man. He hates America and spends his money to weaken America and to push his agenda. Comparing him to Hammer is a good comparison. He has been bed with the Russian Thugs in control of Russia for years.
87 posted on 09/30/2003 6:41:34 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (May our brave warriors kill all of the Islamokazis/facists/nazis to prevent future 9/11's.)
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Ping to 82
88 posted on 09/30/2003 6:52:32 AM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: okie01
Check out this little gem:

An unsigned CIA memo on Oct. 5 advised that "the CIA had reservations about the British reporting" on Iraq's alleged attempts in Niger, Hadley [No.2 guy on Bush's National Security team] said. A second memo, sent on Oct. 6, elaborated on the CIA's doubts, describing "some weakness in the evidence," such as the fact that Iraq already had a large stock of uranium and probably wouldn't need more, Hadley said.

Source

Saddam didn't have to purchase it, because according to the CIA, he already had enough. That is way more damning than the Niger claim that he sought uranium.

89 posted on 09/30/2003 7:05:45 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: mewzilla
How reliable is Al Martin? From searches, seems to be the source of the Karl Roverer information. Al Martin is also selling a book which is linked to the same site.

90 posted on 09/30/2003 7:05:52 AM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Dog
...Or the pro-Saddam BBC, in trouble for its sexed-up "Alastair Campbell sexed-up the report" story, was frantically spinning...

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F
91 posted on 09/30/2003 7:58:36 AM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: calchey
9. My theory now. The White House welcomes this investigation to prove Wilson and his wife are the problem here. They were being nothing but political in doing this. Wilson didn't count on his wife being exposed for the fraud that she probably is.

Close. Here's the rest. 10 to 1 that Novaks source is someone at State, who told him specifically, that Wilsons wife was the one liased the trip with him.

Wilson's Bio made her name a matter of Public Record, in the form that Novak Published it.

No information was leaked, realistically by anyone....

Look at it this way....An very partisan guy with an agenda writes a NYTOpEd, 6 months after the speech.

Novak obviously knows who the guy is etc, and asks himself, How in the Hell did HE get sent over to Niger? And that was the question he asked.

As Cliff May pointed out, it was fairly common knowledge among insiders that Wifey worked at Langely, so whoever Novak asked, probably answered the question in an offhand manner.......

The Rest is a matter of published record.

92 posted on 09/30/2003 7:59:08 AM PDT by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: dogbyte12
Actually July 9th was the date Joseph Wilson penned his op ed in the NY times, criticizing the W.H. on Uranium story. This BBC story is just a piggy back of the Op ed.

Yes, but the article sources a CIA official who claimed (as it now seems, incorrectly) that Wilson's report had been pushed up to the Whitehouse. This is the aspect of the report that warrants its reairing. One can't help but wonder if the CIA source was Wilson's wife.

93 posted on 09/30/2003 1:57:28 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Dog
I strongly suspect Mrs. Wilson was the CIA official who shopped the story to the BBC.

I assume she faces hard time for her petulence.

94 posted on 10/02/2003 8:48:00 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith; mewzilla
Bump
95 posted on 12/31/2003 11:07:17 AM PST by Shermy (Learned it on FR...)
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To: Shermy
Why the bump? This was a dumb story when first posted, and its a dumb story now. The criticism of relying on a forged memo isn't valid because that's not what we relied upon.
96 posted on 12/31/2003 11:09:03 AM PST by XJarhead
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To: XJarhead
The bump is about identification of the "CIA Official".

Who was she? or he.
97 posted on 12/31/2003 11:16:14 AM PST by Shermy (Learned it on FR...)
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To: Shermy
If it were she (Ms. Plame), then I suspect she'll be in trouble if it is found out that she was the "official" responsible. However, how can she be an "official" if she is merely an analyst?
98 posted on 12/31/2003 11:20:22 AM PST by petitfour
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