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Pat Buchanan: "Iraq, Tet, George W., and LBJ"
WND.com ^ | 09-29-2003 | Buchanan, Patrick J.

Posted on 09/29/2003 7:14:59 AM PDT by Theodore R.

Iraq & Tet, George W. & LBJ

Posted: September 29, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

"Things perceived as real are real in their consequences."

So it has been wisely written, and repeated so often it has become a cliche.

The Tet Offensive of 1968 was a desperate roll of the dice by the Viet Cong. It ended in their disastrous defeat. Some 50,000 of its critical cadre were killed, and all the gains of Tet were rolled back by the Americans in three weeks.

But America, which had been hearing only triumphal news of U.S. victories, was stunned by the enemy's capture of Hue and the massacre of 3,000 of its leaders, and by Viet Cong sappers trading fire with Marines on the grounds of the U.S. Embassy in Saigon. And the American media portrayed Tet as a communist triumph.

"If we've lost Walter Cronkite, we've lost the country," LBJ is reputed to have said after Tet, when the CBS anchor declared the war unwinnable. After Tet, the establishment that had marched us into Vietnam broke and joined the antiwar movement, just as soon as Richard Nixon finished taking his oath of office.

George W. Bush is in a situation today similar to that faced by Lyndon Johnson at the time of Tet.

While U.S. casualties in Iraq, five dead a week, do not approach the 150 we lost every week, for seven years, in Vietnam, the home front does call to mind 1968 and even the early Nixon years.

The behavior of Senate Democrats today, savaging the same president they gave a blank check for war last October, may be repellent. But it reflects a cold assessment that President Bush is vulnerable on Iraq, that the postwar mess is erasing in the public's mind the brilliance of our victory, and that his calls to unity and a suspension of politics-as-usual in debating the War on Terror may be safely ignored.

Consider the reaction to Sen. Kennedy's brutal charge that the war was nothing but a "fraud," concocted in Texas, to advance the interests of the GOP. If true, this would be an impeachable offense.

But when the president retorted that the Kennedy accusation was "uncivil," Senate Democrats rallied to Kennedy. Said Sen. Joe Biden, ranking Democrat on Foreign Relations, the Bush administration's "leading members believed we would find an oil-rich functioning country, that we'd be met by cheering crowds, that all we had to do was sweep out the top Baathist layers, implant our favorite exiles, and watch democracy take root as the bulk of our troops returned home by Christmas."

Biden has provided a succinct but accurate description of the neocon party line, prior to the war. What he failed to say is that he, as well as Sens. Kerry, Lieberman, Edwards, Daschle and Clinton, as well as Rep. Gephardt, swallowed that line, or refused to challenge that Utopian vision before transferring to the president their constitutional power to decide on war or peace.

Kennedy's rhetoric was over the top. But, at least, he – and Rep. Kucinich and Gov. Dean – stood up against attacks on their patriotism to oppose the war before, not after, its fruits had turned rancid.

Which brings us back around to President Bush. Whether we are making headway in winning the hearts and minds or the Iraqi people, or whether the Iraqis want us out of their country and support those fighting to throw us out, the perception here in our own country is that Iraq is a mess.

Also clear is that the American people are coming to conclude that we ought to cut our losses, get our troops out and turn it over to the Iraqis, or to the United Nations, as early as the transfer can be arranged.

If Bush intends to fight this war to victory, he had best begin to prepare the American people for the long, hard road ahead. This he has not done. Indeed, every indication is that he, and even Secretary Rumsfeld, have no intention of sending in more U.S. troops, but are looking for the next exit ramp out of Baghdad.

Yet they should know it is not only opportunistic ex-hawks in the Democratic Party who hope to secure advantage out of any debacle of a U.S. retreat. The French, Germans, U.N. and anti-Americans all over the world are slavering over the possibility of a humiliating retreat of the American Empire.

One wonders: Does President Bush realize that by listening to the siren's call of the neocons he has put his presidency in peril? Does he recognize now that they fed him a warmed-over policy they had cooked up long before 9-11, and had even tried to feed Clinton, who had the good sense to reject it?


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: biden; bush; clinton; cronkite; democrats; emk; hue; iraq; johnedwards; lbj; lieberman; neoconservatives; nixon; perception; reality; saigon; tet; vietcong; vietnam
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Pat is right when he notes that the Mondale Democrats who had supported "Johnson's war" turned against "Nixon's war" almost literally on Jan. 20, 1969. And Tet was a U.S. victory despite what Walter Cronkite thought "was the way it is."
1 posted on 09/29/2003 7:14:59 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
We now know the following:

1. Uncle Walter is, was and has always been a leftist
2. The American left and their lapdogs in the media wanted the US to lose
3. Pat Buchanan is as big a fruitcake as ted kennedy and the rest of the RATS
2 posted on 09/29/2003 7:23:07 AM PDT by sticker
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To: Theodore R.; Miss Marple
Perhaps if we'd invaded Israel instead, Pat would be on the Administration's side.
3 posted on 09/29/2003 7:28:36 AM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) (Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a Tagline!)
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To: Theodore R.
What a load of bull cookies from Buchanan. Anyone but anyone with two brain cells to rattle together could figure out that Iraq wasn't going to be any "cake walk".

He should just switch over to the RATS and be done with it. He never wanted to see us in Iraq. Made that clear before the war. Now his sour grapes are all too visible.

What a great guy you are Pat. What a patriot. Rape rooms, torture, mass graves....brutality unrestrained. Yup, that's what you advocate evidently.

Prairie
4 posted on 09/29/2003 7:28:38 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Pat Buchanan. RAT in sheeps clothing.)
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To: Theodore R.
the perception here in our own country is that Iraq is a mess.

Also clear is that the American people are coming to conclude that we ought to cut our losses, get our troops out and turn it over to the Iraqis, or to the United Nations, as early as the transfer can be arranged.

As usual, PJB is all pontification, zero data. How does Pat know what conclusion "the American people are coming to?" He doesn't say, rendering his article useless.

5 posted on 09/29/2003 7:30:05 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Theodore R.
This turn against the war by the Demos could possibly be to their disadvantage. Their voters are against this war for a whole host of reasons, while their money people are predominantly for this war. It could get interesting watching the political gymnastics performed by the dwarf squad.
6 posted on 09/29/2003 7:30:31 AM PDT by junta (Xenophobia a perfectly reasonable response to the feckless stupidity of globalism.)
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To: Theodore R.
Buchanan is an isolationist. He apparently believes that if we ignore all the dangerous enemies out there, they will go away.

There is an honorable tradition of conservative isolationism, but it's no longer possible in today's world.
7 posted on 09/29/2003 7:31:14 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Theodore R.
Clearly, there's no such thing anymore as just shutting up when our soldiers are in harm's way. Supposedly (ha!) we learned a lesson from the Vietnam war, but now it appears culturally acceptable to be a demoralizer.

Thank you liberal-America and you too Pat; you're all fifth column creeps!
8 posted on 09/29/2003 7:40:33 AM PDT by macamadamia
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To: Huck
Pat may have concluded that Bush's 49 percent approval rating, the lowest of his presidency, is a reflection of growing opposition to the U.S. occupation of Iraq. The 49 percent approval rating has certainly energized the Democrats.
9 posted on 09/29/2003 7:49:23 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: prairiebreeze
I agree, Paul Wolfowitz may not have two brain cells.
10 posted on 09/29/2003 7:51:29 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Attention Pseudocons: Wilsonianrepublic.com is still available)
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To: Huck
How does Pat know what conclusion "the American people are coming to?"

If Pat knew the answer to that question, he would have quit his multiple runs for president, concluding that the US had finally rejected him and his nuttiness.

But even after his .0005 percent "sweep" in the election, Pat still hasn't gotten the message.

[BTW, if Pat Buchanan ever rated 49 percent in the polls, he would be shouting it from the rooftops claiming that 'America agrees with me.']

11 posted on 09/29/2003 7:57:07 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Theodore R.
Time for all the 'kill the messenger' crowd to emerge because they can't refute the message.

We are not going to send any more troops means Buchanan is right again.

12 posted on 09/29/2003 7:57:44 AM PDT by ex-snook (Americans needs PROTECTIONISM - military and economic.)
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To: Theodore R.
Secretary Rumsfeld, ... are looking for the next exit ramp out of Baghdad.

If he thinks the neo-cons are looking to leave Iraq, then he doen't know the neo-cons.

13 posted on 09/29/2003 8:00:49 AM PDT by twittle
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To: JohnGalt
I agree, Paul Wolfowitz may not have two brain cells.

Seems like most of the Pentagon and OSP boys would fall under that classification

14 posted on 09/29/2003 8:00:53 AM PDT by steve50 (Power takes as ingratitude the writhing of it's victims : Tagore)
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To: Theodore R.
If Bush intends to fight this war to victory, he had best begin to prepare the American people for the long, hard road ahead.

How many times does he nhave to say this war is going to be a long one before pansey Pat understands? EVERYTIME the President has talked about the war on terror or Iraq he's said it's going to be a long war.

Get a clue Pat.
15 posted on 09/29/2003 8:04:23 AM PDT by Valin (If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?)
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To: Theodore R.
Said Sen. Joe Biden, ranking Democrat on Foreign Relations, the Bush administration's "leading members believed we would find an oil-rich functioning country, that we'd be met by cheering crowds, that all we had to do was sweep out the top Baathist layers, implant our favorite exiles, and watch democracy take root as the bulk of our troops returned home by Christmas."

I remember Biden acknowledging (on Russert or some other Sunday show) back before the invasion that we would likely be there for several years. The RFP for contractors wishing to take part in the rebuilding was for a 21 month term to start. Not one person has ever claimed that we would be "in and out".

Like the lies purporting that the SOTU used "imminent threat" as a casus belli, lies about postwar expectations are multiplying. Frankly, it's damned near impossible to find many truths in the Democratic litany these days. The facts are out there, if anyone wishes to look them up.

16 posted on 09/29/2003 8:05:54 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: twittle
Just an FYI, I think Pat is referring to this story on the rift developing between Rummy and the 'neoconservatives.'

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EI16Ak03.html

17 posted on 09/29/2003 8:05:57 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Attention Pseudocons: Wilsonianrepublic.com is still available)
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To: ex-snook
And that message would be...what?
18 posted on 09/29/2003 8:06:27 AM PDT by Valin (If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?)
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To: Theodore R.
The 49 percent approval rating has certainly energized the Democrats.

How do you know? Can they name any of their candidates these days?

19 posted on 09/29/2003 8:07:31 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Theodore R.
The difference between Viet Nam and Tet versus Iraq, can be seen in the following from another thread here: A Muslim immigrant has been jailed for life by a court for slitting his daughter's throat in an "honour killing" after she embraced Western culture ...

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We are facing something entirely different in the one billion strong Mohammedan world that is completely and aggressively polarized against the nonislamic world. A mere military win in Iraq changes nothing if Mohammedism is not confronted and discredited instead of being called the religion of peace.

20 posted on 09/29/2003 8:08:18 AM PDT by RLK
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