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The Neoconservative Cabal
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| 9/3/03
| Joshua Muravchik
Posted on 09/28/2003 5:06:39 PM PDT by William McKinley
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To: fqued
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posted on
09/28/2003 6:05:41 PM PDT
by
Helms
("Nietzsche's critique of ressentiment - the "self-poisoned mind" - fits Islam like a glove")
To: billbears
"Its 20th-century heroes tend to be TR, FDR, and Ronald Reagan--Irving Kristol
Sorry but I'm not part of any group that considers FDR a hero."
Likewise, and think FDR a tragedy. Think we are homing in here though. FDR was a major SOCIAL LIBERAL. And neocons by and by are not all fiscal conservatives either. Only common theme appears to me to be Israel, for good or bad.
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posted on
09/28/2003 6:05:41 PM PDT
by
inPhase
To: AndyJackson
who have already been described as putting more stock in overwhelming force
Where?
To: zacyak
most of the others replying to it don't seem to have a clue as to what the author of it is really sayingWell please explain it to us simpletons, becaus I find it to be just more apalling dreck. If he has a point, he might try to come out and make it.
To: William McKinley
From the article:
By contrast, conservatives of traditional bent are more inclined to favor the use of overwhelming force or none at all, and to be more concerned with "exit strategies."It is no wonder you cannot find it though. The statement is wrong, and you would likely miss it because the article is atrocious.
To: AndyJackson
No, I missed it because I understand that paleoconservatism is not traditional conservatism. Paleoconservatism is younger and newer even than neoconservatism.
Hence your confusion.
To: ellery
Thanks,
have my own opinion.
Prefer Times to the Post but only sample both.
I am a speed reader and read voraciously. Mental exercise.
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posted on
09/28/2003 6:10:42 PM PDT
by
inPhase
To: inPhase
Only common theme appears to me to be Israel, for good or bad.Unfortunately, that's what I have a problem understanding sometimes. It seems the neocons are bound and determined to railroad through this 'roadmap' one way or another. And as someone that supports Israel, I can't see how giving their land to a bunch of squatters is doing anything more than making Israel acquiesce to terrorists
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posted on
09/28/2003 6:10:52 PM PDT
by
billbears
(Deo Vindice)
To: William McKinley
the term neoconservative as it is used by the left and by the paleoconservatives has no meaning I already know that. What concerns me is that there are people around who describe themselves as neo-cons, such as this author, who also have no clue what it means. All I can tell is that it is a tribal label. If it stands for something, this author sure doesn't know what it is.
To: zacyak
Like Pavlov's dog, they see the word "Jew" in an article they don't understand (or haven't read) and start in with their spastic accusations of anti-semitism. They do that to cover up their liberalism on domestic issues. For fun, ask them if they think that overall the New Deal was a good thing.
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posted on
09/28/2003 6:12:13 PM PDT
by
jmc813
(McClintock is the only candidate who supports the entire Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment)
To: William McKinley
A neo-con, as distinct from an old-style conservative or libertarian, has no aversion to using the power of the US government to create a "better society". The main difference between them and leftists is what goals they want to achieve thru the power of government
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posted on
09/28/2003 6:12:17 PM PDT
by
SauronOfMordor
(Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === (Finally employed again! Whoopie))
To: William McKinley
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52
posted on
09/28/2003 6:12:18 PM PDT
by
rdb3
(One shot is not enough. It takes an uzi to move me.)
To: Helms
Postmodernism doesn't give a flying ...
want copy, that's good.
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posted on
09/28/2003 6:12:36 PM PDT
by
inPhase
To: AndyJackson
What concerns me is that there are people around who describe themselves as neo-cons, such as this author, who also have no clue what it means
If you think the primary people who use the label 'neoconservative' are the people who are labelled 'neoconservative', you are delusional.
The overwhelming majority of the usage of the term comes from three groups: the liberal media, the far left fringe, and the paleoconservatives.
To: inPhase
:-) Didn't mean to imply you believe what you're spoon-fed. I just learned last week that the Moonies were anti-semites, so I had to share.
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posted on
09/28/2003 6:14:33 PM PDT
by
ellery
To: SauronOfMordor
I think that is a good, succinct description of the original meaning of neoconservative, especially if you meld it with the concept of most of them being converts from the left.
To: AndyJackson
Well please explain it to us simpletons, because I find it to be just more apalling dreckI was just responding to those who were whining about the article being anti-semitic - I found the article itself to be a bunch of overwritten blather and I personally don't agree with the neocon worldview at all.
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posted on
09/28/2003 6:15:49 PM PDT
by
zacyak
To: ellery
The Washington Times is owned by
still mulling your Protocols of the Elders post.
You are at least a double agent??
no, I am just kidding too.
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posted on
09/28/2003 6:16:49 PM PDT
by
inPhase
To: William McKinley
Paleoconservatism is younger and newer even than neoconservatism Paleocon refers to a branch of conservatism that has been around for a long time, regardless of how hold the term has been used. It is largely used by paleocons themselves to distinguish themselves from their neocon usurpers. This is silly, since neither they nor I can tell what neocons stand for other than some things Pat Buchanan disagrees with.
To: Helms
ideas of the Left as well. Notably Marx
Helms I agree to the extent that Elliot Abram's writings delineate, as opposed to expose, the neocon, Judaic ideals. He is very open in his writings of the 90's. Google.
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posted on
09/28/2003 6:20:45 PM PDT
by
inPhase
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