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Blackpowder, bowling balls and sewer pipe! (Fire in the hole!!!)
One Fine September Morning... ^

Posted on 09/27/2003 8:39:41 PM PDT by mhking

Ah, serendipity. Being in the right place at the right time.
As it happened, this fine and sunny September Sunday morning found me and a few others at the local gun range, sighting in- or trying to- some rifles. Some were cooperating, some weren't. A normal outing to the range, really...

Until this fellow pulls up and starts unloading a big 'ol hunk o' pipe.

Pipe? Bowling balls?

I thought he was going to bury it as a new target stand or something.... 'til I saw the Bowling Balls. I then immediately knew it must be what some call a "punt" mortar! I'd seen similar handmade ones on the 'net and in magazines... naturally, we all completely forgot about our own rifles for the moment.

How far'zat thing go, anyway?

The Gun Range is a nice place- raised, covered shooting line, plenty of tables, well-kept grounds. The first line of targets is at 100 yards, with small berms and pipe target stands at 200, 300 and 400 yards as well, plus a trail/road to drive up to 'em if you need to. And at 500 yards, right at the base of the stand of trees off in the distance, is a full-size steel cutout of a moose, painted day-glo orange. Above, the guy with the mortar is pouring in some three ounces of Fg (coarse) Pyrodex black powder...

This sucker is huge!

This thing is huge! Probably weighing some 150 pounds, half-inch-nominal wall pipe with a massive two-inch-thick breechblock welded on one end. The touchhole or fuse passage leads to a small "chamber" in the center that holds the powder in a single spot, rather than letting it cover the whole 8.5" bore.

Crude, but it works.

Crude, yes, but it works. The owner is reluctant to do any additional welding on the pipe, for fear of making a weak or brittle spot, so he just stacks up whatever's handy to hold it, oh, 'bout there or so. This thing's so cool I want to make the guy some adjustable legs like the old 4.2" Chemical Mortar had....

Fire in the hole!

Three ounces of Pyrodex, an old garage-sale-special bowling ball, an old chair and some sewer pipe... Fire in the hole!

I'll be over here where it's safe...

He's not running, but he ain't dawdling either! Let's see, the fuse burns at about one minute per foot, there's about six inches there... dum da dum... carry the three...

KABOOM!

HOLY FREAKING BATTLESHIP MISSOURI! By the time the shutter snapped, the ball was, in relation to this picture on your screen, about six monitors up and climbing. It was whistling. I lost track of it since I was trying to get the picture, but the guys say it cleared the treeline by probably another hundred yards.

Let's do that again!

Let's do that AGAIN! Rod out the fuse hole, make sure there aren't any errant embers, pull the mortar up out of the divot it created, weigh out another charge of powder, another bowling ball... This time I was watching downrange with the camera pointing at the cannon... Holy Creeping God, ladies and gentlemen! That ball was screaming out of there! I'd wager it landed over 600 yards downrange.

I should have brought out my Radar Chrony. I'd guess that ball wasn't moving over 700 fps, possibly as low as 400 fps, but jeez, think of the mass! That ball's what, eight to ten pounds?!? What's the Hatcher's Index of a projectile weighing fifty-thousand grains moving at 400 fps? "Body armor" against this thing is eight feet of dirt over a concrete bunker!

Excavations?

Think Grandpas' old thirty-thirty is a kicker? How about a hundred-plus-pound gun that pushes itself into the dirt six to eight inches each time it goes off? This is not a shoulder arm.

After all four balls were expended, we helped load it back in the guy's car. I noted that there were some divots from earlier shoots... he said he gathers up old balls whenever he can find 'em, then when he has a few, on a nice day he'll come out and blow 'wm downrange. Says it always draws a crowd. I said "so there's already a few balls out there in the swamp, eh?"
"Oh, more than a few, yeah."

He says he also has a short cannon that takes small tomato-sauce cans and another mortar that takes soda cans. The soda cans, it seems, don't hold together well- the force of firing blows the can off the concrete fill, which then blows up in the air.

Besides, he says, NOTHING beats seeing that bowling ball howl downrange as far as the eye can see.

I agree. :) The pictures don't do this justice; this is something every Tinker or gadget freak should see in person at least once in their life.


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To: mhking
Just sitting here doing my world famous god awful EVIL laugh known to make grown men blanch in fear and small children cry....:>
41 posted on 09/27/2003 9:41:20 PM PDT by tophat9000 (I guess it 's now Free Republicans vs Vichy Republicans currently under Democrat occupation)
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To: SW6906
I fancy making an automatic that shoots used duracells(no shortage of ammmo ever), with interchangable barrels for AAA, AA, C, & D cells.

Are they enviro safe now that the mercury is out?

Wouldn't want to tear up the tree huggers.

42 posted on 09/27/2003 9:41:26 PM PDT by norraad
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To: Eaker
Make your tube out of brass and it will ring like a bell every time you charge and fire.
43 posted on 09/27/2003 9:49:38 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (1)
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To: boris
I'm with you, Boris.

There's good reason breech blocks are forged. Fun toy today, but I'll bet the chamber pressures are far more than the ASTM specs ever imagined for sewer pipe walls needing to contain. One of these days somebodys head will be sailing as far as the bowling balls.

IMO.
44 posted on 09/27/2003 10:00:35 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund PBS, NPR & PRAVDA)
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To: boris
The wall thickness is plenty for 3 ounce charges and bowling balls. Especially if the material is 4140 steel (normally used for howitzer barrels or tank main guns).

If someone around Puget Sound builds one of these and needs a place to fire it, let me know - you can come out to my place. As long as it doesn't fly over a mile, it's safe here. (If nobody else tries this around here, I guess I'll give it a shot so to speak.)

45 posted on 09/27/2003 10:01:43 PM PDT by 11B3 (Injection is nice, but I'd rather be blown.)
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To: boris; archy
I rather think the thickness a bit inadequate.

So do I, but I'm only guessing. In Charleston SC along "The Battery," the promenade along the harbor facing Fort Sumter, they have some old siege mortars. Those bad boys have a similar bore, but the wall thicknesses are about equal to the bore, or about 8" wall thickness! Of course, they tossed exploding iron cannonballs about a mile or so!

46 posted on 09/27/2003 10:11:25 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: SLB
Man, I'll bet that 175 looked like the dragon from hell at night!
47 posted on 09/27/2003 10:13:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: 11B3
"...a big 'ol hunk o' pipe...half-inch-nominal wall pipe...some sewer pipe..."

I'm not reading anything at all about 4140 steel or ordinance grade materials. The maker had welded the steel plate to the bottom but he was still concerned about inducing brittleness to the metal with further welds.

I'm thinking this guy's a few reloads short of a 'hold muh beer' alert.
48 posted on 09/27/2003 10:36:43 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund PBS, NPR & PRAVDA)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
wrap it with a couple hundred yards of fiberglass tape, it'll be just fine :)

49 posted on 09/27/2003 11:00:50 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield (TANSTAAFL)
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To: mhking
Puts a new meaning into the word "STRIKE"!
50 posted on 09/27/2003 11:02:11 PM PDT by gorebegone
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To: mhking

Freepers, Caption this Photo.

51 posted on 09/27/2003 11:06:12 PM PDT by Orion78 (Who died and made you thread monitor?)
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To: Squantos; humblegunner; Eaker; harpseal; SLB; glock rocks; Jeff Head
Every 4th of July our family has a reunion at my grand parents farm. Fireworks evolved into spud guns evolved into a small black powder cannon that my uncle built. One summer we spent a whole day trying to hit a telephone pole at 50 yards...It has a 1 inch bore and I believe we were loading 600 grains of Pyrodex...If they thought that rattled their teeth, wait until I show them this...

I ran across a web site that talked about anvil shooting and last time I was home I turned over my grand fathers anvil and sure enough there was that little spherical hollow...what an evil grin appeared on my face...

52 posted on 09/27/2003 11:36:22 PM PDT by in the Arena (Never Forget...Never Ever Forget...)
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To: gorebegone
Looks like seamless dom tubing (Drawn over mandrel)

Most common in 1026 or 1035 steel.

We used it for fork lift blade top of the fork tubes.

Should be up to the task.

not much different than a shotgun tube

with pyrodex the pressures would be less than with smokeless

J
53 posted on 09/27/2003 11:39:40 PM PDT by jppickett1111
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To: Orion78
'Hold muh beer whilst I look in an' see what went wrong...'
54 posted on 09/27/2003 11:41:27 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund PBS, NPR & PRAVDA)
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To: Travis McGee
Try 1 cup of flour, and 2 m-80's.

Now THAT'S a fireball.

L

55 posted on 09/27/2003 11:53:24 PM PDT by Lurker ("To expect the government to save you is to be a bystander in your own fate." Mark Steyn)
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To: Noumenon
Count us in my friend.

L

56 posted on 09/28/2003 12:10:10 AM PDT by Lurker ("To expect the government to save you is to be a bystander in your own fate." Mark Steyn)
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To: in the Arena
Yep we used to dump a little powder in that hollow, lay a piece of cannon fuze into the pile and to the edge opf the anvil. Cover that with a piece of cardboard and put the other anvil on top of that. Light the fuze .........run like hell.

Anvil Bingo, Cowpie bingo ......all the same if it lands on ya..........really crappy outcome.......:o)

Stay Safe ITA !

57 posted on 09/28/2003 12:23:04 AM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: Mulder
I wonder what that bowling ball would do to a UN vehicle driven by turd-worlders who are trying to disarm the American people?

I'd like to know what goes through their little minds just before that bowling ball does.

58 posted on 09/28/2003 1:03:48 AM PDT by Marauder (If God lived on earth, liberals would sue Him.)
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To: mhking
"It was whistling.."

No doubt those finger holes in the ball make for some hellatious whistling sounds..
VREEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeee..!
59 posted on 09/28/2003 2:15:11 AM PDT by wolficatZ (_________\0/_________/|_________"shark!")
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To: festus
No, that's what the breech end of the gun did to the dirt under it.
60 posted on 09/28/2003 4:23:57 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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