[Mulder]

I'm arguing against something which can KILL other people. As in, bangbangDEAD. None of those other things do that.

Wrong! Speech has resulted in far more deaths than guns. Nazism, Communism, Fascism, etc..... were all the result of ideas (speech) being propagated.

One reason those ideas haven't taken hold in America is because there are 200 million firearms in private hands, along with billions of rounds of ammo.

No, I don't want to take away any of those things

So you do want to take away guns? As such, you are advocating overthrowing the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

Millions of Patriots who took an oath to defend that Constitution will have a real problem with that. And "their problem" will quickly become the problem of every enemy of the Constitution, should the traitors ever attempt to overthrow the Bill of Rights.

I know which side my money will be on.

[TwilightXi]

One reason those ideas haven't taken hold in America is because there are 200 million firearms in private hands, along with billions of rounds of ammo.

You think someone who's intensely passionate about an idea is going to shut up because there are GUNS hanging around? Do you think a lunatic cares? Perhaps you should consider that there are more people shooting up family, friends, co-workers, etc., than shooting potential traitors to democracy. Why else would gun control be such an issue? You're sorely underestimating the power of the American system, its people, and the foundation of our country if you think that without guns, alternative propaganda is going to be spread and respected. If we need that threat to keep democracy intact, what does that say about us? If we succumb to anti-democratic ideas, what does that say about us? Our forefathers refused to do it, and in all cases, why should we ever?

So you do want to take away guns? As such, you are advocating overthrowing the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

::raises eyebrow:: You do a good job of rocketing over the edge, there. I respect the Constitution, in all of its flexible, ever-changing aspects.