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One reason those ideas haven't taken hold in America is because there are 200 million firearms in private hands, along with billions of rounds of ammo.

You think someone who's intensely passionate about an idea is going to shut up because there are GUNS hanging around? Do you think a lunatic cares? Perhaps you should consider that there are more people shooting up family, friends, co-workers, etc., than shooting potential traitors to democracy. Why else would gun control be such an issue? You're sorely underestimating the power of the American system, its people, and the foundation of our country if you think that without guns, alternative propaganda is going to be spread and respected. If we need that threat to keep democracy intact, what does that say about us? If we succumb to anti-democratic ideas, what does that say about us? Our forefathers refused to do it, and in all cases, why should we ever?

So you do want to take away guns? As such, you are advocating overthrowing the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

::raises eyebrow:: You do a good job of rocketing over the edge, there. I respect the Constitution, in all of its flexible, ever-changing aspects.

Perhaps you should consider that there are more people shooting up family, friends, co-workers, etc., than shooting potential traitors to democracy.

What's your point? That the American people are collectively guilty because of the individual actions of a few lunatics, and should therefore be disarmed?

Why else would gun control be such an issue?

Because the politicians want to control people. It's not about making America safer, it's about enslaving this country.

If we need that threat to keep democracy intact, what does that say about us?

The Founding Fathers like Madison, Jefferson, etc.... were very clear that yes, indeed, guns will protect our Liberty should other avenues fail.

If we succumb to anti-democratic ideas, what does that say about us?

Just because something is "democratic" means nothing to me. If 51% of the people "democratically" decide that I need to wear a yellow star and go off to the work camp, I'm going to take some very "anti-democratic" action.

Our forefathers refused to do it, and in all cases, why should we ever?

Quite the contrary, the warned against the dangers of democracy. That's why they set up a Constituitonal Republic instead. They also made it very clear that they wanted the American people to be armed to the teeth.

I respect the Constitution, in all of its flexible, ever-changing aspects.

The US Constitution is not "flexible". There is a very clear process that is laid out for changing it. To circumvent that process (Constitutional amendment) is sedition and treason, as far as I'm concerned.