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Bruce Herschensohn does ad for Tom McClintock
California Republican Assembly ^ | Sept. 27, 03 | California Republican Assembly

Posted on 09/27/2003 12:40:33 PM PDT by churchillbuff

I just heard a GREAT radio ad supporting Tom McClintock for Governor. It was Bruce Herschensohn - - California's MR. CONSERVATIVE -- speaking from the heart. An announcement said it was co-sponsored by California Republican Assemply, so I went to their web site - - and here's the official announcement of the Herschensohn ad:

CRA LAUNCHES RADIO CAMPAIGN TO SUPPORT TOM MCCLINTOCK FOR GOVERNOR The California Republican Assembly announced today that it was beginning a radio campaign urging support for Tom McClintock in the recall election October 7th. Bruce Herschensohn speaks candidly with listeners in the 60 second spot confronting the argument that although McClintock is the best candidate, he can’t win.

“If everyone who has said that would vote for him he’d win by a landslide,” Herschensohn says. The spot concludes with an appeal from Herschensohn: “If you think he’s the most qualified candidate, support him. At this point, it doesn’t depend on him, it depends on you.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: endorsement; herschensohn; mcclintock; mcwampum; recall
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To: LisaAnne
I don't think we know whether the legislature would respond favorable or not.

Ma'am, the only thing we know is that A VOTER REFERENDUM WOULD GET RID OF THIS ILLEGALS' DRIVERS LICENSE LAW ---- BUT ARNOLD WON'T JOIN THAT REFERENDUM DRIVE. Why not? Why not? Why not? Is it cowardice, political correctness, timidiy, do the Kennedys have somethign on him, does he want the illegal votes, is he a phoney? - - - what's the reason -- PLLLEEEEAS help me understand!

221 posted on 09/28/2003 8:26:33 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: MistrX
McClintock would be my first choice, but he is not electable in this race.

Please let me know why Arnold WON'T SUPPORT THE REFERENDUM TO REPEAL THE ILLEGALS' DRIVERS LICENSE LAW? This is the biggest issue in California now. The only sure way to get rid of it is with a voter referendum Arnold won't support that effort. Why? And since he won't, why is he any better than Busta or Gray? in my book, they're peas in a pod.

222 posted on 09/28/2003 8:28:09 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: RS
"Since historically the higher percentage of conservatives only appears with minimal voter turnout, and predictions are that this will a high turnout - your predication appears to be the nonsense."

This goes back to the question of the "turnout model" used by polling agencies when reporting results. In this election, it is very clear, and pre-election polling bears out, that "conservative" and "moderate" voters are more motivated to vote than "liberal" voters. In a normal election, the pollsters would look at voter registration and past voting trends, and predict what percentages of each class of voter would be likely to vote.

Typically, Republicans votes in greater percentages relative to registration, compared to Democrats. That is why, as you observe, Republicans in California, who are at a registration disadvantage, do better when the turnout is lower. This reasoning is also why Davis and the ACLU tried so hard to get the election delayed until March, when the Democrat presidential primary election would have occurred.

But this recall is an anomaly. Certain groups of voters are highly motivated to vote against Davis. The total percentage of votes cast by "conservative" voters, regardless of party, will be higher than in a normal election.

I believe the indications are that whoever wins the replacement vote will achieve more than 35% of the total vote cast. Therefore, the statement you made that "there are not enough conservative votes to elect anyone" is much more likely to be wrong than right. In fact, if Schwarzenegger or McClintock wins, it will be because of the conservative affirmative votes cast, not in spite of them.

"Self-described conservatives" is terminology used in polling. It is not unlike "probable voter" or "likely voter," where the pollster takes for fact the data reported by the respondant.

223 posted on 09/28/2003 8:58:02 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: churchillbuff
Calm down. I have no idea why, if it's as you say, he will not support the referendum. Perhaps as I said, he has other plans to deal with it. I don't have my crystal ball handy and the resident psychic is out for the evening. ;o)
224 posted on 09/28/2003 9:54:51 PM PDT by LisaAnne
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To: churchillbuff
But McClintock can't win.

Arnold or Cruz...

If Tom puts Cruz into office, conservatives will be responsible for that. Yippee.
225 posted on 09/28/2003 11:14:55 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: FairOpinion
Amen, and Tom's reward for his misbehavior will be to be left irrelevant in the party for now on.
226 posted on 09/28/2003 11:16:46 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: capitan_refugio
A good analysis -

But since as you say " But this recall is an anomaly. "

there is NO track record to compare with so you must agree that all of this is speculation, and even speculation on "normal" elections is a shot in the dark.

...As I keep being told here - "American Politics is full of stories of people who were told they could not win, but did" --- so how does that fit in with your analysis ?
227 posted on 09/29/2003 6:12:36 AM PDT by RS (nc)
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To: RS
"there is NO track record to compare with"

You are right if you look at recall elections on a state level. The closest we come in recent California voting history was when there was a popular revolt against the antics of the Rose Bird California Supreme court in 1986. Although in that election, the the Supreme Court justices were essentially presented with a "vote of confidence" mandated by the California Constitution, three of the most liberal justices (Bird, Reynosa, and Grodin) failed to receive a majority vote and lost theire positions.

It is fair, however, to look at the dynamics of smaller recall elections (school board, county supervisors, etc.). Typically in those elections, an official or officials has run afoul of the law or some community sensibility. A small group of activists works to qualify the recall for the ballot. Once qualified, the activists generally turn out to vote in very high percentages. However, the activist percentage of the total vote is usually much smaller than that of the general voting population, particularly if the recall is not a special election (i.e. held in conjuction with a primary or other regularly scheduled election). The object(s) of the recall, also tend to rally their own activists and interests, but the vast majority of the voters end up in the "so what?" column and usually don't support the recall. that's why most recalls either fail to get onto the ballot or fail once on the ballot.

I think you would agree that this recall has caught the popular imagination. But I think the mechanics of the turnout are going to follow those of a smaller recall, in that the activists are motivated - but there are many, many more of them. Also, the "so what?" population is greatly diminished because most people realize that this election will effect them directly in the pocketbook. It doesn't matter what poll you might be looking at, the trends in the past week must be seen as bad for Davis and Bustamante in particular, disheartening for McClintock, and good for Schwarzenegger.

In years past, I have worked on a few campaigns and been involved with "what happened" analysis. This is where I have developed a healthy skepticism concerning polling data. Rarely does the polling input model accurately reflect the parameters of the election day voter profile. Complicating this is the increasing reliance on absentee voting. In 1992, when Bruce Herschensohn was running against Barbara Boxer, he was trailing by more than 20 percentage points in mid-September. The top of the ticket (George H.W. Bush) was doing poorly against the eventual winner Clinton, and Dianne Feinstein was trouncing incumbent John Seymour in the other, special election, for US Senate. But we were able to close hard on Boxer, by about 4% per week, and were within the statistical margin of error by the week before the election. Several polls confirmed this, putting Bruce down between 2-%; internal polls showed the race to be a dead heat. Then, on the Thursday before the election, Democrat leader Bob Mulholland conspired with the LA Times and other liberal media and dropped the "strip club" bombshell, which derailed Herschensohn's momentum and eroded into his overall support. As it was, Bruce lost on election day by about 7%, but won the absentee tally by an equal margin - those votes had already been cast before the dirty trick.

The post election analysis showed that Bruce had been badly hurt by the poor Republican election day turnout and the motivated Democrat turnout. Also, women turned out in record numbers and sided with the Democrats (particularly the two female senate candidates). The was "The Year of the Woman" - remember? Boxer did poorer with women than did Feinstein or Clinton, but well enough to win. The dirty trick did figure in the exit polling data, with women much more than with men. And, as I recall, Bruce did well with voters who were focused on "issues" rather than on gender or party identification. If the 1992 election had been held 1 week earlier, I believe Herscensohn would have won.

In 1992, only 37% of the voters identified as Republicans in the California contests. But only 41% identified as Democrats. The relative differences today have not changed greatly. This shows that it is possible for a conservative candidate to win in California.

228 posted on 09/29/2003 9:47:30 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: RS
You know, your comments got me thinking about some of the work I had done in times past, so I pulled out some of my old Herschensohn files. I still have his "white papers" (positions on the issues) that I had kept.

I found some of the post-mortem statistical data. Keep in mind, this was for the 1992 California electorate:

Party Identification
Democrat 41%
Republican 37%
Independent and 3rd party 22%

Political Ideology
Conservative 29%
Moderate 49%
Liberal 22%

I wonder if I can find the 2000 demographics on the internet.

229 posted on 09/29/2003 10:10:01 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: BibChr
Why isn't Arnold supporting the voter referendum to repeal the illegals' drivers license law?
230 posted on 09/29/2003 10:20:35 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
I don't know. If I hear/read, I'll try to remember to get back to you.
231 posted on 09/29/2003 10:35:55 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: churchillbuff
"Why isn't Arnold supporting the voter referendum to repeal the illegals' drivers license law?"

Best guess is that it's rolling right along without him, and he dosen't need to be accused of "me-tooing" or "stealing" the position. - so now he gets accused of ignoring it...
232 posted on 09/29/2003 11:59:04 AM PDT by RS (nc)
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