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To: Cicero
For instance, there's hardly a bishop in the Russian Orthodox Church who wasn't a KGB agent.

I am not doubting, but I have not ever read an authoritative account of this. It is one of those things we all assume is true when we hear it, but is it?

12 posted on 09/27/2003 1:16:43 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
...there's hardly a bishop in the Russian Orthodox Church who wasn't a KGB agent.

destro, you can, unfortunately, take that statement to the bank.

The KGB ran the Russian, and other COMBLOC Orthodox Churches. They used the church to infiltrate agents into orthodox monasteries and church posts in, among other places, the Middle East and of course, to keep tabs on churchgoers.

The miracle is that the churches were not totally compromised, that is many bishops and priests were in effect, "double agents,"who were trying to preserve their faith and traditions somehow. Nowadays, figuring out who's who is the problem.

In China, there is, even now, an entire Roman Catholic Church run by the CHICOM state. There is also an underground church directed from Rome, which is persecuted severely.

Nor were the Communist efforts to undermine and subvert religion directed solely at the Catholic Churches, including the Orthodox. They did a damn good job of running the World Council of Churches, and infiltrated the Lutheran Church of East Germany very thoroughly. Pretty damn confusing.

16 posted on 09/27/2003 1:47:03 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Destro
Well, the KGB is still keeping its secrets, so who can be absolutely certain.

What's more interesting to me is that when you have a double agent, part KGB operative and part bishop, which of the two will prevail? The KGB undermines the Church, and by its very essence Christianity undermines the KGB.

Still, it's awkward if it involves informing on people in order to survive. The end doesn't always justify the means.
22 posted on 09/27/2003 2:28:53 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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