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To: PatrickHenry; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; Right Wing Professor
Thank you so much for the heads up!

This is verrry interesting in that it is the polar opposite of the article which formed the basis for the now pulled thread “Solar System Formation.” That base article is here: http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0207/0207536.pdf

In that article, the scientists create an improbable scenario for planet formation which must begin with a large surface area of one kilometer. That would mean fewer planets ought to be expected, fewer still of our type. On the pulled thread I asked whether dark energy should have been considered. I pose the question again here.

I believe dark energy ought to be relevant to planet formation in that negative gravity would create acceleration in every direction, causing additional pressure on particles in the intervening space to bind. It seems to me this additional pressure would be actualized as heat in the particles, thus providing for binding of particles smaller than a kilometer.

If dark energy is negative gravity, then it would not exist in the presence of positive gravity and thus could not be measured in local space laboratory experiments. It would have to be inferred from deep space observations, like we infer black holes from other evidence.

My deduction is based on the "duality" between gravity and space/time. Positive gravity should be visualized as an indentation of space/time causing approaching objects to orbit and spin downwards into the indentation. And conversely, objects within the indentation much achieve an escape velocity to get outside the horizon of its space/time geometric effect.

Therefore, if dark energy is negative gravity the reverse would be true. It would be an outdent of space/time causing objects in its horizon to be repelled - or accelerated. Like the positive gravity indentation, the outdent would create acceleration in every direction.

The implication of this thought experiment is that negative gravity, like positive gravity, would be be very small compared to the other fields (electromagnetic, strong and weak atomic) --- but would accumulate over distance.

Consequently, I would expect planetary formulation in environments which would not begin with one kilometer sized planetisimals to infer the existence and effect of intervening dark energy. Dark energy accounts for 73% of the mass of the universe.

60 posted on 09/27/2003 12:58:59 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl


Evo logic - science !



The fact that freezing water makes ice crystals - snowflakes ... proves evolution too --- hailstones will be people some day !



Anti - entropy (( physics )) too !



Evolution is an open system

(( not subject ... exempted --- to natural physical laws - thermodynamics )) ---


solar - sun generated ...


turn on the lights and the house will clean itself ...

eventually a family will appear !



Wash and dry dishes on a rock ...

rain washed ---

sun dried !



Road kill cabin fever science !





61 posted on 09/27/2003 1:01:41 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: Alamo-Girl; RadioAstronomer
I donno. My very limited understanding of dark energy is that it only manifests its effect on a cosmological scale. In that case, it wouldn't affect the formation of planets. I think that plain old gravitational attraction would be sufficient for planetary formation. I'm pinging RA for his input (which will be much more informed than mine).
65 posted on 09/27/2003 1:09:56 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (The "Agreement of the Willing" is posted at the end of my personal profile page.)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Isn't the mathematical problem the fact that the necessary mass can't be found so, to keep the equations balanced, we must posit some mysterious, unseen mass (or energy) to balance the equation?

If what we see now demands that a process is in progress then we must explain our rationalizations or admit to a cyclical phenomenon which we are only allowed to witness; it is this nasty beginning bit that we can't get past.

73 posted on 09/27/2003 1:29:29 PM PDT by Old Professer
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