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Pastor Chuck Baldwin: "Finally, The Real Reason We Invaded Iraq Has Been Revealed"
Chuck Baldwin Ministries ^ | 09-26-03 | Baldwin, Chuck

Posted on 09/25/2003 1:58:48 PM PDT by Theodore R.

Finally, The Real Reason We Invaded Iraq Has Been Revealed

By Chuck Baldwin

Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon September 26, 2003 Initially, the invasion of Iraq was sold to the American people on the premise that Iraq posed an immediate risk to the safety and security of the United States. We were told that Iraq had amassed Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) and if we did not attack first, we were sure to be victimized by terrorist attacks from Iraq.

Americans were also told that there were significant ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda. It was even propounded that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001.

Since the completion of the invasion, however, the Bush administration has recanted every single reason it originally gave for waging war against Iraq except the vague explanation that we were "fighting terrorism." No WMD were found. Bush's aides confessed that no connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda has been established, and Bush himself admitted that Hussein had nothing to do with the September 11 terrorist attacks.

So, why did we really go to war? Some suggest that oilmen Bush and Cheney wanted to procure Iraq's rich oil fields. Others say it was revenge for Daddy Bush's embarrassment that had been lingering from Gulf War I.

However, in his recent speech before the United Nations, President Bush revealed the real reason we invaded Iraq. He said plainly that the reason we invaded Iraq was "to defend the peace and the credibility of the United Nations."

There you have it from the lips of Bush himself. The reason America went to war with Iraq was to defend the credibility of the United Nations. This must come as quite a shock to all those people who thought we went to war to defend the security of the United States.

As to the credibility of the UN, I didn't know it had any! Since its inception, the UN has done nothing but oppose the interests of the United States. From the beginning, it has been led and controlled by Marxists and other dictators who hate freedom and Christianity. Everything the UN touches turns to ashes. The blood of millions of freedom-loving people drips from its hands. Mr. President, the United Nations has no credibility worth defending!

If our President and Congress were truly dedicated to defending the interests and security of the United States, they would expel the United Nations from U.S. soil and remove America from UN membership. They would also tell the freedom-hating socialists and Muslim dictators within the UN to politely "get lost," and they would start treating the United States as an independent, sovereign country again!

There will, no doubt, be enemy-nations that America must fight in the future; America has many enemies. When it becomes necessary to send our young men to fight and die, however, it would be nice if we knew they were fighting, not to defend the credibility of the United Nations, but to defend the security of the United States of America.

© Chuck Baldwin


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; bush; ghwb; gulfwari; iraq; saddamhussein; terrorism; un; us; wmd
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1 posted on 09/25/2003 1:58:49 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
to defend the security of the United States of America.

I thought that's what "the peace" meant.

Baldwin needs to calm down a little.

2 posted on 09/25/2003 2:02:01 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Theodore R.
Looks like Chuck is off his meds again.
3 posted on 09/25/2003 2:06:20 PM PDT by mattdono
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To: Theodore R.
Pearls of wiz-dumb from the cranially challenged.

Everything this idiot has said about Bush other than the spelling of his name is a gawd damned lie...
but, we would expect nothing less.

4 posted on 09/25/2003 2:09:29 PM PDT by evad (liberals & lying..It's WHAT they do, it's ALL they do and they WON'T stop...EVER!!)
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To: mattdono
Looks like Chuck is off his meds again.

You denounced the messenger. How do you reply to the specific points that he has raised?
5 posted on 09/25/2003 2:15:19 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
***Sigh***...the real reason is just being uncovered...
According to a report Sunday by the Associated Press, 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed "told his interrogators he had worked in 1994 and 1995 in the Philippines with Ramzi Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad and Wali Khan Amin Shah on the foiled Bojinka plot to blow up 12 Western airliners simultaneously in Asia."

Yousef, of course, was the man who plotted and executed the failed 1993 World Trade Center bombing, who entered the U.S. on an Iraqi passport the year before and whose partner in the plot, Abdul Rahman Yasin, was granted sanctuary by Saddam Hussein after the attack. Yasin is still at large.

Unmentioned by the AP, Mohammed's account of meetings with Yousef has been corroborated by Yousef's Bojinka partner, Abdul Hakim Murad. After his capture in 1995, Murad told the FBI that he and Yousef were contacted by Mohammed repeatedly during their time in the Philippines. Murad's FBI 302 witness statements detailing the contacts are reprinted in the new book "1000 Years for Revenge," by investigative reporter Peter Lance.

Another intriguing detail unmentioned by the AP, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is Ramzi Yousef's uncle.

Just last week, new documents uncovered by U.S. investigators in Iraq implicated Saddam's regime in the 1993 attack.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's Account Links 9/11 to '93 WTC Attack

Dick Cheney: "At the time I said no, we didn’t have any evidence of that. Subsequent to that, we’ve learned a couple of things. We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the ’90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaeda organization.

We know, for example, in connection with the original World Trade Center bombing in ’93 that one of the bombers was Iraqi, returned to Iraq after the attack of ’93. And we’ve learned subsequent to that, since we went into Baghdad and got into the intelligence files, that this individual probably also received financing from the Iraqi government as well as safe haven.Now, is there a connection between the Iraqi government and the original World Trade Center bombing in ’93? We know, as I say, that one of the perpetrators of that act did, in fact, receive support from the Iraqi government after the fact.

Source: Meet the Press Transcript - Dick Cheney - on Post #26

Now...as to the WMD...

U.S. intelligence suspects Iraq's weapons of mass destruction have finally been located.

Unfortunately, getting to them will be nearly impossible for the United States and its allies, because the containers with the strategic materials are not in Iraq.

Instead they are located in Lebanon's heavily-fortified Bekaa Valley, swarming with Iranian and Syrian forces, and Hizbullah and ex-Iraqi agents, Geostrategy-Direct.com will report in tomorrow's new weekly edition.

U.S. intelligence first identified a stream of tractor-trailer trucks moving from Iraq to Syria to Lebaon in January 2003. The significance of this sighting did not register on the CIA at the time.

U.S. intelligence sources believe the area contains extended-range Scud-based missiles and parts for chemical and biological warheads.

Report: U.S suspects Iraqi WMD in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley

Debka and Israeli intelligence also said this months ago. Saddam DID have WMD.
6 posted on 09/25/2003 2:16:32 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Theodore R.
What a pathetic jerk! Baldwin makes even Ted Kennedy seem rational, intelligent and profound!
7 posted on 09/25/2003 2:17:34 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Theodore R.
it would be nice if we knew they were fighting

If you have to say it over and over you might as well not bother. The Mideast is filled with dangerous mass murderers and we got rid of one in April. From here we can now target the remaining mass murderers in surrounding states. Got it, Chuckie?

8 posted on 09/25/2003 2:17:35 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: ravingnutter
Tin Foil.

9 posted on 09/25/2003 2:21:14 PM PDT by JohnGalt (Attention Pseudocons: Wilsonianrepublic.com is still available)
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To: Theodore R.
The UN speech was a real blow to the gut.

10 posted on 09/25/2003 2:22:00 PM PDT by JohnGalt (Attention Pseudocons: Wilsonianrepublic.com is still available)
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To: Nonstatist
Chuckie?

Why do you ridicule the name of this minister? Did not George Herbert Walker Bush denounce the Democrats in 1988 for ridiculing the name of his vice-presidential candidate, "J. Danforth Quayle"? Rightly so, Vice President Quayle was named for "James Danforth," who gave his life in WWII.
11 posted on 09/25/2003 2:23:46 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
Baldwin puts an "REV" before his name, then proceedes to lie...Bush did not say that Iraq and "amassed" WMD's, he said that were attempting to.

Bush made the point about defending the credibility of the UN, because that was, in fact, one element in play...the UN was doing NOTHING, a paper tiger...and at least SOME UN members (the US did NOT go alone as the right "REV", Libertarians, and leftist would claim) were willing to do something.
12 posted on 09/25/2003 2:29:26 PM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: Theodore R.
Baldwin worships at the altar of church of Anti-Bush.
13 posted on 09/25/2003 2:30:18 PM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: Theodore R.
Hey Chuck, lift the halo a little above your eyes and ears. We've been through most of this many times before. I just have one question. If Iraq was a fraud, mistake, political opportunity, all about oil, yada, yada, yada, how come we have had no more terrorist attacks since the Iraq war? Coincidence?
14 posted on 09/25/2003 2:30:33 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: Theodore R.
...revenge for Daddy Bush's embarrassment that had been lingering from Gulf War I.

That humiliating defeat where the US military got decimated and had to retreat with its tail between its legs? No, wait - - didn't we go in, kill a whole lot of Iraqis as we expelled them from the Kuwait region, and then get out nearly unscathed, mission accomplished?

If anybody can clear up my confusion about what "embarrassment" Baldwin is talking ab

No no - - never mind, forget it. I really don't care what this maroon is talking about.
See ya on another thread!

15 posted on 09/25/2003 2:32:42 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Theodore R.
Look folks, I said it once, I will say it one hundred times. The Bible makes it clear that man (under Satan's deception) will try to set up a one world Babylonian system. As good a man as President Bush is, he cannot stop this, its inevitable. By the same token, no power on Earth can stop the Sons of God from coming forth, and defeating this whole corrupt fallen world, and transforming it into Christ's eternal Kingdom.

Yes, there will be great tribulation, because too many men love darkness rather than light. The way the powers that be are shoving Arnold down our throats, even though everyone knows Tom is not only a better candidate, but a better man, is a perfect example of this evil manifesting itself. We are so close to a massive spiritual revolution I can hardly contain myself. It is going to be so awesome that it hasn't even entered into the "imagination of man" the things God is getting ready to do. He is our only hope. Man always ultimately fails, Christian or otherwise. He is programmed that way being "born in sin, shaped in corruption". But that is all about to change!

16 posted on 09/25/2003 2:35:15 PM PDT by Russell Scott (Without massive intervention from Heaven, America doesn't have a prayer.)
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To: Theodore R.
Well, for one, the Iraqi/Al Qeada link has been firmly established contrary to what he claims in this POS diatribe.
17 posted on 09/25/2003 2:38:02 PM PDT by Arkie2
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To: Theodore R.
The messenger takes things and distorts ..... He's not worth the effort but here's the entire paragraph in which he exceprted a phrase and built his rant......

The regime of Saddam Hussein cultivated ties to terror while it built weapons of mass destruction. It used those weapons in acts of mass murder, and refused to account for them when confronted by the world. The Security Council was right to be alarmed. The Security Council was right to demand that Iraq destroy its illegal weapons and prove that it had done so. The Security Council was right to vow serious consequences if Iraq refused to comply. And because there were consequences, because a coalition of nations acted to defend the peace, and the credibility of the United Nations, Iraq is free, and today we are joined by representatives of a liberated country.

Saddam Hussein's monuments have been removed and not only his statues. The true monuments of his rule and his character -- the torture chambers, and the rape rooms, and the prison cells for innocent children -- are closed. And as we discover the killing fields and mass graves of Iraq, the true scale of Saddam's cruelty is being revealed.

So is the Pastor saying it's okay for the Iraqi people to have to endure further cruelity?

18 posted on 09/25/2003 2:39:37 PM PDT by deport
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To: Theodore R.
I ridicule the minister because he is unserious and dense and playing semantic games. There were several reasons for liberating the Iraqis, and some of them were less than straightforward; like trying to make sure the world's economy does not collapse when we finally find ourselves breaking with the Saudis, etc.

But only someone disengenuous or thickheaded would interpret Bush's words to suggest the sole reason was to protect the UN's reputation! What a lughead!

19 posted on 09/25/2003 2:48:33 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Theodore R.
What has this guy been smoking away? Whatever it is I want some!
20 posted on 09/25/2003 2:50:32 PM PDT by pctech
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