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To: wideawake
The only Catholic parishes that are both gaining in numbers and producing new vocations are conservative parishes where altar girls are unknown.

That's not true, of course, but why not just issue sweeping generalizations to back up your point of view?

Female altar servers are a sideshow in this document.

What this article doesn't reveal is that there are also proposed restrictions on communion in the hand and under both kinds, both of which would never fly in the United States.

It's obvious that a coterie of reactionaries decided to issue a trial balloon, and it is quickly losing air, as bishops and cardinals, in other versions of this article, have said "these will never be accepted."

Trying to restrict quotations in homilies to Scripture alone? How silly. Bishop Fulton Sheen wouldn't have been able to give half the homilies he did, as he liberally quoted Shakespeare, and Chesterton, and Hammersjkold, and even Popes!

Or banning clapping for a newly baptized baby or new confirmand, or when the Pope processes in at Mass? Ludicrous.

What are these dolts thinking?

70 posted on 09/24/2003 3:51:10 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter! You'll save at least one life, maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
Dear sinkspur,

"What this article doesn't reveal is that there are also proposed restrictions on communion in the hand and under both kinds, both of which would never fly in the United States."

Oh, I don't know, sinkspur. I think most folks would accept it, especially if accompanied by any decent catechesis.

I prefer to receive in the hands, but I would gladly obey the Church if she instructed me otherwise.

As to the other bit, about restricting quotes from non-sacred sources, I'd be willing to bet that this part has been mangled.


sitetest
98 posted on 09/24/2003 4:04:40 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: sinkspur
That's not true, of course, but why not just issue sweeping generalizations to back up your point of view?

If you can name one diocese where altar girls and liturgical dance are the norm which has proportionally just 50% of the vocations of the Diocese of Lincoln, NE your point will be admirably proved.

What this article doesn't reveal is that there are also proposed restrictions on communion in the hand and under both kinds, both of which would never fly in the United States.

I'm pleased that someone is trying to restore dignity to reception. I don't much care how things will "fly."

It's obvious that a coterie of reactionaries decided to issue a trial balloon, and it is quickly losing air, as bishops and cardinals, in other versions of this article, have said "these will never be accepted."

If by "reactionaries" you mean "Catholics who have a modicum of reverence left" it's a shame that various liberal prelates are failing to appreciate their initiatives. But to politicians, politics and popularity will always be more important than the sacraments.

Trying to restrict quotations in homilies to Scripture alone?

I think you are distorting the proposals. I believe that they are calling for an end to including non-Scriptural readings - for example the replacement of the Epistle by a selection from Kahlil Gibran at one "Mass" I had the misfortune to attend.

Additionally I believe that they are calling for the homily to be more focused on and directly relevant to the readings of the Mass and less focused on the funny thing that happened to Father on his vacation to the Bahamas.

Or banning clapping for a newly baptized baby or new confirmand, or when the Pope processes in at Mass? Ludicrous.

Somehow my daughter bravely dealt with the ignominy of not having anyone clap, shout "whoop! there it is!" or pump their fists at her christening. No one at the time remarked that the lack of a sports stadium atmosphere was "ludicrous."

What are these dolts thinking?

Leaving aside the undeaconly insult, they were probably thinking that reverence is a virtue Catholics would cultivate. They were also probably thinking that their ideas would receive a fair hearing. They really had a high opinion of individuals such as yourself, it would seem.

204 posted on 09/24/2003 7:56:32 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: sinkspur
Or banning clapping for a newly baptized baby or new confirmand, or when the Pope processes in at Mass? Ludicrous.

People clap when the Pope processes in at Mass!? What are they thnking? It isn't a show! It's Mass!

246 posted on 09/24/2003 9:57:51 PM PDT by It's me
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