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To: Reagan Man; onyx; PhiKapMom
Just what do these people have against gambling enterprises, run by Indian Tribes?

The fact that it's run SOLELY by Indian tribes, that it is largely unregulated, and that the tribes are using the proceeds to buy political influence far outweighing their actual numbers. We're already seeing these problems: Bustamante and McClintock wish to exacerbate those problems through even more deregulation of tribal gaming.

There were two bills that were barely defeated in the Legislature this past session. Keep deferring to the wishes of the gaming interests, and they'll eventually pass.

One would have established a process that would have forbidden development on private lands that the tribes claimed to be sacred. The process would be secret and the actual sacred locations would be kept secret (to "preevent looting"). The adjudication would be done by political appointees--said appointees appointed by politicians on the hook to tribal interests for campaign funds.

You would only learn about the proceedings when the injunction forbidding you from using your land for your profit. Your land would suddenly lose most of its value. About the only people who would be willing to buy the land would be the tribe who had just stolen your property from you, and you'd end up selling at their price, not yours.

Which brings me to the other law that was barely defeated. The other law would have allowed the tribes to buy land anywhere in the state, declare said land to be part of their reservation, and build casinos on said land, without local regulation.

Put these two bills together, and you have a process whereby the tribes can (a) stop development on prime property, (b) force the owners of that now worthless property to sell it to the tribe at a bargain price, and (c) build a casino on that allegedly-sacred land.

If you are a conservative who values property rights, these two bills went beyond "troubling." We get up in arms when a city applies eminent domain to subsidize Costco.

Gambling that is limited to tribal entities is, at its core, the granting a financial boon based solely on the accident of birth.

That's not any sort of republican government. It's feudalism.

Gambling is a legal vice, after all and so are political donations.

Gambling is only legal for a priveleged few, and they're using that privelege to buy political power at the expense of republican values.

If California wishes to legalize gambling, it needs to legalize it for everyone, not just a priveleged few, and regulate it for all under the same rules.

Tom McClintock has stated that the tribes are sovereign nations. He then accepts campaign donations from them.

We got extremely snippy about Clinton accepting foreign donations. But the Tombots sing "Glory, hallelujah!" about it when it's their guy.

92 posted on 09/24/2003 5:11:59 AM PDT by Poohbah (Technical difficulties have temporarily interrupted this tagline. Please stand by.)
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To: Poohbah
Good analysis. Here is another thing that should interest people. Being largely unregulated, tribal gaming does not adhere to the same rules on payouts, odds and oversight as do casinos in Nevada, Atlantic City or on the boats of the Midwest. Accordingly, pro gamblers don't go to Indian casinos and avoid them like the plague - and the people taken are mostly your average "mom and pop" types.
106 posted on 09/24/2003 5:43:37 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (All eyes were on Ford Prefect. Some of them were on stalks.)
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To: Poohbah
Don't see how any "principled" conservative can take money from the Indian Gambling interest. If anyone thinks these tribes are doing the gambling on their own without help from organized crime, they had better think again. The Indians first of all did not have the expertise to run these big casinos so someone had to step in and anyone thinks it is legitimate business, think again -- IMHO organized crime is involved in all facets of the gambling industry and have discovered that the Indian Tribes are the pefect patsy with the lack of accountability!

Did some research on gambling by the Indian tribes last Fall and was shocked to learn that the money they take in is only accounted for by the Indian Tribal Gaming folks -- that is like no accountability. They take in billions and yet do not have to answer to the States where they are located. Since the Indian Tribes who have gambling are getting very rich, why is the Federal Government or State Government providing any services to those tribes including reimbursing them for medical expenses like they did in CA -- they can pay for the best care in America with the money they take in from gambling?

If the McC fan club wants to know what a "principled" conservative truly is, come to Oklahoma and meet our State Legislatures who are fighting the lottery because it would then allow the Indian Tribes to have Class I gambling casinos. They don't believe Education should be funded by gambling on the lottery where the money comes in a lot of instances from people who can least afford to lose the money. The Oklahoma "principled" conservatives do not want Class III gambling in the State of Oklahoma either. BTW, those "principled" conservatives are both Republican and DemocRAT here in Oklahoma.



118 posted on 09/24/2003 7:02:23 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicron Pi Mom too! -- Visit http://www.georgewbush.com!)
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