Assassin secretly deported after JFK killed

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, September 24, 2003

[ET(end tyranny)]

No. What I'm saying is that in all liklihood, JFK AND one of his doubles were killed that day.

[Jim Noble]

Impeachment might have been thought undesirable. But what about the obvious alternative of making JFK an offer he couldn't refuse, and procuring his resignation for, say, reasons of health?

If this scenario is anywhere near the truth, your alternative would depend on how trustworthy JFK was assessed to be.

My guess is, not very.

[RightWhale]

What? How could Oliver Stone miss this?

[tpaine]

Kennedy's brain – a crucial piece of forensic evidence – was stolen by a U.S. Navy admiral, on Robert Kennedy's orders...


Say it isn't true, Admiral..

[Terry Mross]

A French assassin. Those bastards did it again! Seriously, there were many French p.o.'d about France getting out of Viet Nam and they thought Kennedy was going to finish the job for them. Again, those bastards! Wait a minute. This may be the only time France did anything positive for the U.S.

[firebrand]

ping on that book

[MHT]

Cubans or the Mob---or Johnson.......After all, the man was above nothing and rumors were fierce that he was going to be dropped from the '64 ticket.

[MHT]

I saw on a special years ago that an FBI firearms expert only got the rifle to fire correctly once, and the possibility that the rifle could perform accurately and quickly was almost nil. However, a special on ABC (I think) used a computer model to show how Oswald's perfect marksmanship from the book depository could have made the shots happen with the exact angle, accuracy, and timing. So, I guess it was physically possible to make bullets go that direction but, in reality, could have gun have done the deed? According to ABC, computer models never lie. Ergo, the lone gunman theory held tight for another decade.

[x]

The more people in on a conspiracy, the more likely it is that someone will give the plan away. And the further apart the people or groups that make up a hypothetical conspiracy are the harder it will be for them to get together. It's unlikely that such disparate groups would ever have planned an assassination. I suppose it's possible that some enemies of Kennedy in the Mafia might have hired a French assassin, but the authors don't seem to have much credibility.

[Semper911]

Death bed confessions, and all that.

But there have been so many theories trotted out that even if someone does come out with the exact truth, no one will believe him or her. It will just be added to the long list of allegations and hairbrained theories.

There is no way we will ever know what really happened, and more importantly, why.

[harrowup]

"...Kennedy's brain – a crucial piece of forensic evidence – was stolen by a U.S. Navy admiral, on Robert Kennedy's orders... "

Say it isn't true, Admiral..

Now, I want you to listen very carefully. I never ever took orders from that man, er, Mr. Kennedy.

Anyway, I was in Residency then and if you don't want to believe my wife you can talk to my Chief at the time, Renfield.

Zanks.

[Bayou City]

Bump for later read.

[tpaine]

Renfield can talk?
-- And yes, you admit to no ~orders-, but what else did you take? -- And what will your wife have to say about THAT? Hmmmmm?
Don't try to BS the old bs'er fella. We know...

[PhilDragoo]

Marchetti said Helms was briefed every morning on the Garrison-Shaw trial, and wanted to be sure the agency was "doing everything we can to help our people"--meaning Shaw.

Dean Andrews is fascinating:

Liebeler: Do you mean to suggest by that statement that you have considerable doubt in your mind that Oswald killed the President?

Andrews: I know good and well he did not. With that weapon, he couldn't have been capable of making three controlled shots in that short time.

Liebeler: You are basing your opinion on reports that you have received over news media as to how many shots were fired in what period of time; is that correct?

Andrews: I am basing my opinion on five years as an ordnanceman in the Navy. You can lean into those things, and with throwing the bolts--if I couldn't do it myself, eight hours a day, doing this for a living, constantly on the range, I know this civilian couldn't do it. He might have been a sharp marksman at one time, but if you don't lean into that rifle and don't squeeze and control constantly, your brain can tell you how to do it, but you don't have the capability. . . .You have to stay with it. You just don't pick up a rifle or pistol or whatever weapon you are using and stay proficient with it You have to know what you are doing. You have to be a conniver. This boy could have connived the deal, but I think he is a patsy. Somebody else pulled the trigger. . . .It's just taking the five years and thinking about it a bit. I have fired as much as 40,000 rounds of ammo a day for seven days a week. You get pretty good with it as long as you keep firing. Then I have gone back after two weeks. I used to be able to take a shotgun, go on a skeet, and pop 100 out of 100. After two weeks, I could only pop 60 of them. I would have to start shooting again, same way with the rifle and machine guns. Every other person I knew, same thing happened to them. You just have to stay at it. [11H 330]

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The most famous American military sniper in history, with 93 confirmed kills in Vietnam, Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock, U.S. Marine Corps senior instructor at the Sniper Instructor School at Quantico, Virginia, said his Marines had not been able to duplicate the shooting attributed to Oswald after duplicating the conditions exactly. "Now if I can't do it, how in the world could a guy who was a non-Qual on the rifle range and later only qualified 'marksman' do it?" (Craig Roberts, A Sniper Looks At Dealey Plaza, CPI, 1994, pp. 89-90.

[PhilDragoo]

Gerald Posner, Case Closed, 1993, is refuted in detail by Harold Weisberg, Case Open, 1994.

Weisberg, former OSS and United States Senate investigator, is author of eight books on the assassination beginning with Whitewash, 1965.

Weisberg's efforts led to the Freedom of Information Act. He obtained hundreds of thousands of pages of documents from the FBI and CIA through his twelve suits over the course of years.

Posner spent three days going through some of the sixty file cabinets in Weisberg's basement--but carefully omitted evidence disproving his lone gunman theory.

Posner presents no new evidence, ignores much existing evidence, claims credit for others' work, and misrepresents the statements of witnesses to further his agenda.

Regarding "a picture of him with the gun", the backyard photos are of questionable origin and authenticity. Marina was isolated and pressured by the FBI to admit taking one photo. . .until a second was found. Then a third was found.

She could not remember the date she took the photo(s), and when she did, it was changed several times, never accounting for the vegetation visible versus the season of the session.

As for "he ordered the gun", the postal money order was purchased during a time when Oswald was clocked in at the Depository. The gun was sent to a post office box for A. Hidell, but Oswald was not approved for pick up--and no one observed him picking up the gun.

As for "he left his house on Nov. 22nd with a gun-shaped object wrapped in a blanket", he went to work that morning with a paper-wrapped package he said held curtain rods.

His neighbor who drove him told the FBI the package was 27 inches long, the length of the curtain rods in Ruth Paine's garage, and quite a bit shorter than the shortest piece of a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle even disassembled, some 34 inches.

Frazier's sister Mrs. Randle testified to the Commission the package was 27 inches in length.

The package was wrapped in paper, not a blanket.

As for a "witness" to "Oswald" shooting from the Depository, that would be Howard Brennan, who "was unable to make a positive identification. . . .The Commission, therefore, does not base its conclusion. . . .on Brennan's subsequent certain identification of Lee Harvey Oswald. . . ." [WR 145-146]

Because Brennan did not identify Oswald until he saw Oswald on television.

Believers in the Warren Commission are as certain of Oswald's guilt as they are that Admiral Yamamoto made the "sleeping giant" comment after attacking Pearl Harbor--

Yamamoto never made the comment; it was in the filmscript for Tora! Tora! Tora! (1970).

[mlo]

"The Men Who Killed Kennedy" is full of nonsense and fiction. Even most serious conspiracy researchers will tell you that. Try checking out the claims in that program, don't just accept them.

[PhilDragoo]

It seems to me the fact that Kennedy had Diem assassinated, or at least ok'ed, the assassination is on very firm factual grounds.

E. Howard Hunt forged a cable.

[norton]

I said inside the circle,
I don't trust anyone named Kennedy,
Grief stricken is not the same as unaware,
being aware is not the same as having planned it
or having been directly involved - but he DID jump through hoops to insure evidence was lost and/or hidden from sight.
SOMETHING was covered up and it's hard to believe the AG & first brother would be out of that loop.

Finally; who stood to benefit from a dead JFK & what has come to pass in the aftermath?
Given the hawkish (sorry number 36)stand Kennedy held, the obvious even then debilitation, and the ever present liklihood of scandal, given the myth-making that followed immediately after November 11 and the down-spiral in US politics and society engendered by the post '63 left: I don't see this as any kind of right-wing or sindicate stunt.

[justshutupandtakeit]

One small problem is that the gun recovered was not the gun ordered. They were different lengths. Another is that no one ever saw him practicing with it. There is no record of him ever purchasing ammo for it nor was any found in his effects. It was alledgedly carried in to the TSBD and reassembled with no chance to properly sight it even if it could have been properly sighted. But that should not bother one with faith.

Another interesting fact is apparently anyone could have sent anything to that mailbox and picked it up without a record. There is no authorization for Alex Hidell to receive mail in the box or record that anyone claiming to be Alex Hidell did so.

Marina says she took photos of Oswald with the guns but that the ones in the Warren Commission Report are NOT the ones she took.

Phil, do you have any evidence that the gun alledged to have been removed from the TSBD was tested for having been fired that day? I have heard that it was not and that the WC has no record of that being done. If there is no record I am assuming that means that it WAS done and found to have NOT been fired. It is almost inconceivable that such a standard test would not have been done.

[justshutupandtakeit]

I figure Crappy rifle + misattached crappy scope + crappy out-of-practice shooter + crappy old ammo + crappy shooting angle = BULLSEYE

Now what could be wrong with that equation?