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THE CASE FOR BUSH HATRED. Mad About You (BARF ALERT)
New Republic ^ | September 23, 2003 | Jonathan Chait

Posted on 09/23/2003 4:24:46 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy

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To: Bubba_Leroy
Mainstream Democrats have avoided delving into Bush's economic ties with the bin Laden family or suggesting that Bush invaded Iraq primarily to benefit Halliburton.

WTF? This should come as a surprise to fringe Dems like Dean,Kerry,McAuliffe,Graham etc.....
41 posted on 09/23/2003 6:54:07 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Liberals, spooked, have concluded that calling Bush dumb is a strategic mistake.

Obviously this dumbass hasn't been to DU.
42 posted on 09/23/2003 7:01:48 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Sir_Humphrey
Did you hear Franken's remarks (obscenities) at a Dean fund raiser I think it was? All the dems do is bash Bush. All the press does is cover their Bush bashing. Its their only plan it seems. I'm sick of hearing it. People are going to get sick of it and it's going to turn them off. Its worse than Kobe TV. It's worse than O.J. The Presidential campaign hasn't even started. Don't these politicians like kennedy and the dem canidates and Biden and Clinton have anything to tell us such as what they will do for the country? What legislation they're going to work on or something? I don't know...maybe it's better for us that they'e not getting anything done. Geesh.
43 posted on 09/23/2003 7:10:17 PM PDT by virgil
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Mainstream Democrats have avoided delving into Bush's economic ties with the bin Laden family or suggesting that Bush invaded Iraq primarily to benefit Halliburton.

Since I spent part of Sunday watching football, I got treated to several promos for 60 minutes implying a great deal of connection between the invasion of Iraq and Halliburton contracts. But I guess there's nothing "mainstream" about 60 minutes.

44 posted on 09/23/2003 7:26:59 PM PDT by m1911
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Jonathan Chait is a long-winded, delusional, jealous and "small" man. And the fact that he's a Senior Editor at New Republic, speaks volumes about that rag publication. They must pay him by the word.

If Chait ever needs a job, he can ghost-write Hillary's next book. He's got this fiction thingy down pat.

45 posted on 09/23/2003 7:35:51 PM PDT by auboy (Many words rhyme with French. For some reason, stench always tops my list.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
 
 
The New Republic Online


    

ONLINE DEBATE
Bush Hatred
by Jonathan Chait & Ramesh Ponnuru
Only at TNR Online
Post date: 09.22.03

[ Editor's Note: This week's debate between TNR Senior Editor Jonathan Chait and National Review Senior Editor Ramesh Ponnuru continues an exchange about "Bush hatred" that they began in the most recent issue of TNR. Click here to read Chait's original article, and here to read Ponnuru's original article. ]

Monday
Jonthan Chait

 

Monday

Jonathan Chait
09.22.03, 10:30 p.m.

Ramesh,

We agree on a couple things. The main one is whether Bush hatred is a good political strategy for Democrats: It's not. Bush remains personally popular, and most people don't like angry, bitter candidates anyway.

The question that divides us is: Does Bush hatred have a rational basis, or is it an unreasonable prejudice? In other words, does Bush hatred result from the peculiar mentality of the Bush haters--as conservatives have been arguing--or does it result from Bush himself? I argue that it's the latter.

For those readers who either forgot my piece or never read it, let me briefly sum up the reasons why liberals hate Bush so intensely. First of all, he's conservative. Clinton-hating was strange because Clinton was pretty moderate. Liberal hatred of Bush is more in proportion to the radicalism of his ideology. Second, Bush ran for president as a moderate, and liberals (accurately) perceive his public persona as essentially a lie. Third, the country has rallied around Bush on two occasions--after he took office, and after September 11, 2001--in such a way that criticism of his qualifications and legitimacy was essentially driven out of mainstream discourse. Nothing feeds anger and bitterness like the belief that the media is ignoring your views. Conservatives should know this as well as anybody.

You argue that Bush is not really that conservative. Certainly he's not as conservative as the National Review would prefer--but, then, you probably realize that if Bush tried to abolish the Great Society and the New Deal in one fell swoop he'd be out of office pretty fast. That's why conservatives are content to have a Republican president who works incrementally, putting into place policies that make future conservative gains easy. That's exactly what Bush has done. As Grover Norquist has written, Bush has moved step by step toward doing away with progressive taxation completely. One side effect of this, besides making the Republican economic base very happy, is to make government a bad deal for the middle class. Shifting the federal tax burden downward makes middle-class taxpayers less likely to support future government programs, since they will have to pay of it themselves, rather than having a disproportionate burden picked up by the affluent. I think you've made this point yourself before.

Conservatives understand that this is a very big deal. You argue that "few voters, whatever their political persuasion, get passionate about deficits." I agree that it's hard to mobilize a constituency against tax cuts when they're proposed. But liberals have been able to recognize some of the consequences of tax cuts--the Clinton years made many Democrats appreciate the value of a budget surplus. And liberals are morally offended by the notion of giving big tax cuts to the rich, especially when the president is claiming that we're facing a national emergency that requires sacrifice. You don't need to take my word for it, either. Look at the response Howard Dean gets when he promises to repeal the Bush tax cuts, which he (falsely) accuses his opponents of supporting. I think that's pretty strong empirical evidence that liberals do in fact get passionate about tax cuts.

Now, what about Bush's supposed moderation? True, he hasn't proposed much contentious social legislation. But the most important social issues are all fought mainly in the judicial arena. And Bush's judicial appointees are, for the most part, very conservative. Yes, Bush was forced to come out for prescription drug coverage and a patients' bill of rights. But, if you haven't noticed, neither one of those things has happened yet. And yes, Bush betrayed conservative principle by supporting farm subsidies and steel tariffs, but that's not ideological moderation, it's just another example of him catering to a rich, powerful lobbying group.

You deny that Bush governed to the right of how he campaigned in 2000. Let's see. In 2000, the public and the press widely believed that Bush had fundamentally broken with the Republican right and created a new ideological synthesis that had more in common with Bill Clinton than with Newt Gingrich. Both the public and the press had a great deal of trouble discerning any major programmatic differences between the two candidates for president. Why was that the case? Because Bush did everything he could to make them believe there were no major differences.

Bush identified himself as a compassionate conservative, and defined this vision--both explicitly and implicitly--as something more moderate than the conservatism of the GOP Congress. His promise to "change the tone" was central, not incidental, to his campaign. In his speech at the Republican convention, Bush attacked the Clinton administration not for having the wrong policy goals but for being unsuccessful in pursuing them--remember "They have not led. We will," or his repeated assertion during the debates that, unlike Gore, he would "get it done"? Bush's central promise was to accomplish what Clinton failed to do by bringing a new bipartisanship to Washington. As I argue in my article, that's the complete opposite of what he actually did. My favorite example is Robert Novak reporting how the White House is chastising Congressional Republicans "for being too chummy with Democrats." I've seen plenty other examples of that dynamic.

The same pattern holds true when you examine the specifics of Bush's agenda. In his Philadelphia speech, Bush promised, "We will reduce tax rates for everyone, in every bracket. On principle, those in the greatest need should receive the greatest help." This was a lie: He did not reduce tax rates at all for many low-income taxpayers. Those taxpayers near the bottom who did get tax cuts did not get the "greatest" help, either in absolute terms (which is what Bush's language implies), as a percentage of their income, or as a percentage of their federal tax burden. You argue that Bush's policies on taxes were "extensively debated." But that "debate" consisted of his opponent stating factual analyses of his tax cut while Bush defended himself by ad hominem attack ("I think he invented the calculator"), with syrupy blather ("don't judge my heart"), or with phony numbers of his own (say, a distributional analysis that omitted completely his upper-bracket cuts and estate tax repeal). This "debate" was refereed by a press corps that complained that all the numbers were boring, and refrained from pointing out which numbers were true and which were false. So don't try to say the public knew what it was getting. And, yes, I'm still bitter.

Bush devoted an enormous amount of attention to his plan to provide aid to faith-based institutions and a tax credit for charitable giving. But he whittled the tax credit down almost to nothing--so he could cram in more tax cuts for the affluent--and abandoned the faith-based measure entirely. Likewise, Bush promised big boosts in education funding but then refused to actually deliver them. Maybe conservatives saw these promises as minor, but Bush played them up as if they were the core of his agenda. You and I know that Bush's interest in upper-bracket tax cuts is approximately a zillion-jillion times as great as his interest in boosting the education budget, but voters didn't get that, and it wasn't an accident that they didn't. Obviously, all politicians try to portray themselves in the most flattering light. But Bush went beyond that. He misrepresented his political and policy goals in a fundamental way. Liberals may not know every detail of Bush's promises versus his record, but the basic disconnect between the two is plain as day.

You, like most conservatives, claim that liberals see Bush as a hapless rube from the sticks. My experience is that liberals see Bush as a phony--a rich kid who had everything handed to him by his parents' cronies, and who compensates for it by posing as a plan old ranch hand. It's not just that he benefited from nepotism. Jeb Bush and George H.W. Bush both benefited from nepotism, but liberals don't loathe either of them. The reason is that H.W. and Jeb, while benefiting from a big leg up, are reasonably intelligent men who earned something on their own. Neither is manifestly ignorant or pointedly anti-intellectual, and both managed to win office the old-fashioned way, by garnering more votes than their opponent.

Gosh, I've worked myself up into quite a lather here. Hopefully I haven't undermined my claim that us Bush-haters can be reasonable and aren't simply a bunch of revenge-crazed maniacs. I look forward to tearing your response to pieces and HUMILIATING YOU FOR ALL THE MISERY YOUR ELECTION-STEALING CHIMPANZEE PRESIDENT HAS INFLICTED... Whoops, sorry, that was, um, a typo. What I meant is that I look forward to a civil, thought-provoking exchange of ideas.

Jonathan

 

Jonathan Chait is a senior editor at TNR. Ramesh Ponnuru is a senior editor at National Review.


46 posted on 09/23/2003 7:47:50 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns (Sorry, I can't get the links to work.)
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To: virgil
Did you hear Franken's remarks (obscenities) at a Dean fund raiser I think it was? All the dems do is bash Bush. All the press does is cover their Bush bashing.

It's a cycle - the Rats try to outdo each other in saying the most outrageous, hateful things about Bush, and the media leeringly eggs them on to greater and greater levels of Bush hatred. I'll bet the liberals in the media actually believe, and are telling the Rat candidates, that their venom is playing well to "middle America." And in their isolated, insular world that revolves around the "tony" cocktail parties of the Upper West Side, Georgetown, Martha's Vineyard and Malibu, I'm sure the Bush bashing DOES go over exceedingly well. It's a perspective problem for them, since these places (and the people who inhabit them) are about as far from mainstream America as Pluto, and they'll never know it since they have such a condescending loathing for all of us outside of their "beautiful people" orbit.

Listening to the liberals rant and rave, all I can think about is the fact that there are still 13 months to go until the 2004 elections, and George Bush hasn't even started seriously campaigning yet. And here we are now, with Howard Dean smiling on in approval as Al Franken, at one of Dean's campaign events, delivers a anti-Bush tirade that had to have half the words bleeped out . We've got Ted Kennedy coming out and accusing the president of the United States of bribing foreign leaders, and sending men off to war in Afghanistan and Iraq for no other reason except to benefit his friends at Haliburton. How much further can they ratchet up the rhetoric? Maybe they'll dust off Cynthia McKinney's accusations that Bush had an active role in planning the 9/11 attacks and try those out on the public again. How long before one them openly wishes for some kind of harm to come to the President?

47 posted on 09/23/2003 7:58:01 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC (AIDS, abortion, euthanasia - don't liberals just kill ya?)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
"Can There Be a Decent Left?"

http://www.dissentmagazine.org/menutest/archives/2002/sp02/decent.shtml
48 posted on 09/23/2003 8:12:11 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Moving to Turkmenistan, where all the jobs are.)
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To: CobaltBlue
It's sad to see a person's hatred and bitterness eating them up like this, but if that is what they choose than so be it.

It' amazes me how so many of Bush's opponents are willing to degrade themselves to this extent.

The fact that his opponents reveal themselves as so craven and lacking in dignity, convinces me more than ever that Bush is truly a good man.

49 posted on 09/23/2003 8:17:06 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: CFC__VRWC
I'm tooting my own horn here, but I put this blog up yesterday. How was I to know this thread would come up today??
50 posted on 09/23/2003 8:56:17 PM PDT by redhead (Mom said you're not the boss of me)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
SERIOUSLY LONG WINDED! Holy smokes, I gave up after running across the smudge marks from foaming mouth syndrome.
51 posted on 09/23/2003 9:14:35 PM PDT by Professional
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To: redhead
Very good read--you're right. Thank goodness the Bushhaters are consistent. The level of the hatred is what amazes me. Unfortunately, my parents are die-hard anti-Bushies.
52 posted on 09/23/2003 10:20:01 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Moving to Turkmenistan, where all the jobs are.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Hey jonathan, grow up
53 posted on 09/23/2003 10:25:32 PM PDT by paul51
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To: MNLDS
Good article, thanks for linking it.
54 posted on 09/24/2003 5:48:08 AM PDT by m1911
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To: paul51
Hey jonathan, grow up

I'm familiar with Chait as he started out as a rather light-hearted amusing, fairly moderate columnist with the Michigan Daily before going on to the New Republic. He's also quite a follower of Michigan football, so maybe he's just grouchy over the Oregon loss.

Anyway, Chait's shtick with TNR has been opposition to any and all tax cuts that might give some tax relief to anyone making over, say, $75K. He's been Johnny one-note on that issue for several years, going back well before Bush.

I got into it with him more than once during the 2000 post-election debacle. He thinks he isn't partisan or fringe because he has conservative friends and takes contrarian positions (such as supporting the Iraq war and questioning affirmative action). But his utter misrepresentation of the Florida arguments made it clear that he was just a partisan.

Here, let me quote an e-mail Chait sent on election day 2000 that got forwarded to me.

"The NU loss [Michigan had lost to Northwestern 54-51 the previous Saturday] was a nightmare. I've been obsessing about the election in part to forget about it. The game actually made me more pessimistic about the election, because it reminded me that the universe is controlled by malevolent forces."

In other words, he thinks the prospect of Bush winning is proof that the "universe is controlled by malevolent forces". And all this *well before* Bush supposedly started governing like an evil conservative.

The man had flipped out over Bush well before the election, not after Bush revealed his evil true conservative colors upon taking office.

Here's how the one-time journalist, now partisan hack, discussed the 2000 election day exit polling:

I've done the math -- if we win MN and PA as I expect we will -- and assume the other states break as we expect, it's 269-269 believe it or not. Bush peels MN or PA or FL and he wins; if not, if we win those and peel one, we win. It's not the best position in the world to be in but we're still in the hunt here.

We we we we we. That's funny, I thought he was a journalist, not a member of the Gore campaign.

His article opens with a statement about his visceral dislike of Bush's personality, then he says Clinton hatred was different because it was about personality, not ideology. The man needs mental health treatment, pronto.

55 posted on 09/24/2003 5:57:12 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: Numbers Guy
In other words, he thinks the prospect of Bush winning is proof that the "universe is controlled by malevolent forces". And all this *well before* Bush supposedly started governing like an evil conservative.

Not only that, be he seems convinced that anything and everything that goes "wrong" is the result of malevolent forces, or something evil. Even a football game.

If most liberals believe that same thing, I am really afraid of how many will go off the deep end soon.

Becki

56 posted on 09/24/2003 7:36:37 AM PDT by Becki (Pray continually for our leaders and our troops!)
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To: Numbers Guy
The man needs mental health treatment, pronto.

I think you are correct. The article reads like it was written by a child having a tantrum

57 posted on 09/24/2003 7:42:38 AM PDT by paul51
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To: viligantcitizen
Sounds to me like Mr. Chait here hasn't gotten over being beat up in high school.

This supports my theory that Democrats are just the elementary school kids that got picked last for kickball.

58 posted on 09/24/2003 7:48:11 AM PDT by tndarlin
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To: viligantcitizen
When I went to high school - the mid 70's in Staunton, Virginia - I am sure there might have been some kids whose dad bought him or her a new car. However, the majority of the kids - myself included - save money up and purchased a vehicle several years old. Myself - I had a 1966 Chevy Impala, four door hard-top convertible which was stolen in DC back in January 1976. I wish today I had the VIN just to see if it is out there somewhere. Anyway, I see more of today's kids getting new cars than when I went to school.
59 posted on 09/24/2003 7:50:29 AM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a 100 pounds.)
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To: dogbyte12
Let me jump in here for a moment. Granted, both Bushes came from money. Let's look at other Presidents. Clinton came from dirt poor beginnings and no President since Truman had nothing before being President. Reagan was born in humble surroundings. I know nothing about Carter. Ford was orphaned and adopted. Nixon came from humble beginnings. LBJ was poor white trash. Kennedy - we know about him. Ike - humble beginnings. Truman - humble beginnings and when he left office, he and his wife carried their bags and walked to Union Station. FDR - we know about him.

So, since FDR, most of our Presidents started from humble beginnings. For most of them, hard work and intelligence got them into the pages of history. Nothing wrong with being rich and becoming president. And I tend to think that the Bush's family either has you swim or you sink. Look at Jeb's daughter and her drug problem.

60 posted on 09/24/2003 8:16:01 AM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a 100 pounds.)
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